So Who Wins the East?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

You said....

 

 

 

Which is stated in a clearer fashion here...

 

 

Given the way he pitches, velocity is just as important as his secondary pitches IMO.

This is a clear example of you just misinterpeting what I said. I never said veloctiy wasnt important. I SAID it wasnt Curts biggest problem. You did accused me of saying it wasnt important. I never posted those words.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Indeedly.

 

Although there aren't too many MLB pitchers with a 70 MPH fastball, except maybe Wake and he can go a little over 70.

yeah I agree also

[ORS]

NFL running backs need power and quickness. MLB pitchers need power and the ability to repeat a fine movement 100-150 times a night. Big difference....

You are a doctor, right? I'd love to hear how a RB changing direction at close to full speed, about 3 times per play, up to 50 plays a game, with a body collision to end each play is less stressful on the ankle than the rigors of throwing 100+ pitches.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I will say one think about Jamal Lewis. He had his worst year of his career after he had the surgery and there are people in baltimore who dont know if he will ever return to his old form which is why they dont know wheather to give him the tag or not. They certainly wont sign him to a long term deal.

[guapo34]

You are a doctor, right? I'd love to hear how a RB changing direction at close to full speed, about 3 times per play, up to 50 plays a game, with a body collision to end each play is less stressful on the ankle than the rigors of throwing 100+ pitches.

 

I'm not a doctor, and while the two are very hard to compare, throwing a baseball, especially at the speads power pitchers do, is very damaging to the elbow and shoulder. More than the average person realizes. Baseball Tonight slowed down the delivery of some pitchers who had injury histories last year and focused on the elbow. You could see how violent the motion is.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I will say one think about Jamal Lewis. He had his worst year of his career after he had the surgery and there are people in baltimore who dont know if he will ever return to his old form which is why they dont know wheather to give him the tag or not. They certainly wont sign him to a long term deal.

 

 

Even if Jamal Lewis is never the same player, Schilling isn't going to be getting put on the turf by 260 pound linebackers 15 times a game...

[Cityofchampions33]

Well common sense would say getting hit by a 200 lbs monster would hurt more than throwing 5-10 pitches as hard as you can (with control). Alos if you look at some NFL players, such as Cory Dillon, he's 30+ and is already being somehwat considered for being replaced, whereas Pedro is 30+ and is still an ace.

[ORS]

I think Curt could be a solid #3 starter in the AL if he had poor velocity. His MO was power with finesse. Take a look at his walk totals in his career. They were great and fed into why he was effective. Last yr he was wild inside the zone and he got shelled. Nobody knows how he will react, but I think he might let some of you guys down who think last yr was a blip on the radar....

The only thing that makes sense to me is if you change the word in bold to "hope".

 

If he's healthy, his mechanics will be fine, and if his mechanics are fine, he'll still be in the mid-90s, with a splitter, and good location. I have yet to see good reason to suspect that this procedure won't help him recover from his injury.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Even if Jamal Lewis is never the same player, Schilling isn't going to be getting put on the turf by 260 pound linebackers 15 times a game...

I wasnt comapring there potential effectiveness. I was just talking specifically about Jamal Lewis. OBV they play different sports that require different kinds of ability.

[Cityofchampions33]

Wow, this convo has really turned outta the topic. Frm teh AL East, to control v. power, to NFL v. MLB

[ORS]

I'm not a doctor, and while the two are very hard to compare, throwing a baseball, especially at the speads power pitchers do, is very damaging to the elbow and shoulder. More than the average person realizes. Baseball Tonight slowed down the delivery of some pitchers who had injury histories last year and focused on the elbow. You could see how violent the motion is.

Apples and kumquats. The elbow is not the ankle. I'm sure some super slo-mo would support my claim that an RB puts more stress on the ankle than a pitcher.

[jsinger121]

schilling has no arm problems. at the end of the yr he looked as if he was just about back. now he has shed alot of the fat and got back in shape for the season. i wouldn't be shocked to see him win 18-20 games in 2006. he is fully healed and it was an injury that from the get go they said it would be 18 months for a full recovery back to normal

[TheRivernator]

You are a doctor, right? I'd love to hear how a RB changing direction at close to full speed, about 3 times per play, up to 50 plays a game, with a body collision to end each play is less stressful on the ankle than the rigors of throwing 100+ pitches.

 

I never said is was less stressful. You are misinterpreting my words. I am saying it is different. Pitching is an extremely fine movement while running and cutting is a power and finesse movement. Think about it, would you consider making a cut on turf the same kind of sustained move as throwing a pitch. And if your ankle is 1-2 cm off in a cut, 1-2 lbs of pressure off, would that really matter? It likely wouldnt, in baseball it would. A pitching motion is a very fine movement that needs to be repeated exactly 100-150 times a night. A cut in a game is something that is repeated but it is different for every single scenario, like where the hole is, where the defender is etc. It is hardly the exact same move every single time down to a T. Pitching is a repetitive motion that is consistent many, many times over and just one small change to the consistency is the difference between a hit and an out, ball and a strike, ya get me? Curt's power is there. He has enough finesse to handle a pitching motion, but does he have enough to be consistent pitch after pitch? He wasnt last yr....

[ORS]

I never said is was less stressful. You are misinterpreting my words. I am saying it is different. Pitching is an extremely fine movement while running and cutting is a power and finesse movement. Think about it, would you consider making a cut on turf the same kind of sustained move as throwing a pitch. And if your ankle is 1-2 cm off in a cut, 1-2 lbs of pressure off, would that really matter? It likely wouldnt, in baseball it would. A pitching motion is a very fine movement that needs to be repeated exactly 100-150 times a night. A cut in a game is something that is repeated but it is different for every single scenario, like where the hole is, where the defender is etc. It is hardly the exact same move every single time down to a T. Pitching is a repetitive motion that is consistent many, many times over and just one small change to the consistency is the difference between a hit and an out, ball and a strike, ya get me? Curt's power is there. He has enough finesse to handle a pitching motion, but does he have enough to be consistent pitch after pitch? He wasnt last yr....

Why would you even consider last year remotely relevant to this year? He was still hurt for a large majority of his appearances last year. In fact, he just recently said his ankle felt normal for the first time since before he injured it. Pitching with pain/tenderness in his ankle affected his mechanics since he compensated for lost drive with increased arm action. I would think a doctor would have enough upstairs to recognize last years sample as tainted data.

[ARod2212]

AND that talent comes with a free bonus of egotistical pricks/cheaters such as Damon, Sheffield, Johnson, Brown, and Giambi.

Best leadoff hitter in the game, most feared pitcher this side of Rocket, a player not on this team (well done), and the Comeback player of the Year. Yeah I'm horribly depressed out them.

 

Somebody brought up A-Rod too. Yeah it kills me to have the AL MVP on the team, because of his 'cheater' persona. Damn, I thought we were past that nonsense.

[yankeessuck013]

Best leadoff hitter in the game

 

I didn't know you guy's had Ichiro.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I didn't know you guy's had Ichiro.

I dont think Ichrio is the best lead off hitter in the game. He only had a 350 OBP last season and he doesnt walk much anyway. I love how he handels the bat but the best leadoff hitter in the game last season will prob be the same guy who will be hitting 2nd in the Yankee lineup coming this year. (Jeter's OBP last season .389)

[TheRivernator]

Why would you even consider last year remotely relevant to this year? He was still hurt for a large majority of his appearances last year. In fact, he just recently said his ankle felt normal for the first time since before he injured it. Pitching with pain/tenderness in his ankle affected his mechanics since he compensated for lost drive with increased arm action. I would think a doctor would have enough upstairs to recognize last years sample as tainted data.

 

so last yr was tainted so we should all disregard it? Yeah okay. BTW, when was the last time somebody took what Curt said seriously? Here is the deal, the guy is a top notch athlete and he was humbled last yr. Of course he will find a way to blame it on his injury. When he returned for the second time, he should have been fully healed. He still was pedestrian. While I dont think he'll be as bad as he was last yr, I think he will be a worse pitcher than most expect. He was more healthy than not last yr....

[Cityofchampions33]

Best leadoff hitter in the game, most feared pitcher this side of Rocket, a player not on this team (well done), and the Comeback player of the Year. Yeah I'm horribly depressed out them.

 

Somebody brought up A-Rod too. Yeah it kills me to have the AL MVP on the team, because of his 'cheater' persona. Damn, I thought we were past that nonsense.

 

I personally would rather have Ichiro at the top of my order before Damon, also he's shown signs of declining and has really only had 2-4 good seasons.

 

Also I don't find Johnson that scary unless u count the wrinkles in his face.

 

Also Brown was just an example of what money has bought you, not the players on your team (thank you)

 

Comeback player the year as in back on steroids

 

ARod though he has good stats, is basically the cooler of the Majors.

[TheRivernator]

I personally would rather have Ichiro at the top of my order before Damon, also he's shown signs of declining and has really only had 2-4 good seasons.

 

Also I don't find Johnson that scary unless u count the wrinkles in his face.

 

Also Brown was just an example of what money has bought you, not the players on your team (thank you)

 

Comeback player the year as in back on steroids

 

ARod though he has good stats, is basically the cooler of the Majors.

 

 

jealousy takes many forms....

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Comeback player the year as in back on steroids

He never tested positive for them

[Cityofchampions33]

I dont think Ichrio is the best lead off hitter in the game. He only had a 350 OBP last season and he doesnt walk much anyway.

 

Not exactly that much under Captain f***off, o I meant Caveman

[Cityofchampions33]

He never tested positive for them

 

lmao, no comeback, u win lmao

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Not exactly that much under Captain f***off, o I meant Caveman

lol very true but I didnt make the arguement that he was the best. The best Yankee lineup might be one with Jeter hitting 1 and Damon 2.

[MC Hammer]

Just so we're clear Jamaal Lewis sucking this year had nothing to do with his injury and everything to do with the fact that he can't do coke anymore.

[gosox34]

The Jays don't have a shot. Why?

Troy Glaus will get injured 10 games into the season, B.J. Ryan will blow more games than he saves, and A.J. Burnett will suck. It's going to be:

Sox

Yankees

Jays

Devil Rays

Orioles

[MC Hammer]

He never tested positive for them

That's because he was using HGH, not steroids, and MLB can't test blood.

[TheRivernator]

The Jays don't have a shot. Why?

Troy Glaus will get injured 10 games into the season, B.J. Ryan will blow more games than he saves, and A.J. Burnett will suck. It's going to be:

Sox

Yankees

Jays

Devil Rays

Orioles

 

so many sox fans, so many delusions. The Yankees will win the east, hands down....

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

That's because he was using HGH, not steroids, and MLB can't test blood.

Thats why I was . No matter what Giambi does that stigma of steroids will follow him forever and I have no problem with it as long as he proforms.

[Cityofchampions33]

so many sox fans, so many delusions. The Yankees will win the east, hands down....

 

cant spell cocky without cock