So Who Wins the East?

[schillingouttheks]

so last yr was tainted so we should all disregard it? Yeah okay. BTW, when was the last time somebody took what Curt said seriously? Here is the deal, the guy is a top notch athlete and he was humbled last yr. Of course he will find a way to blame it on his injury. When he returned for the second time, he should have been fully healed. He still was pedestrian. While I dont think he'll be as bad as he was last yr, I think he will be a worse pitcher than most expect. He was more healthy than not last yr....

Um, actually, do you even remember the extent of the injury? Dude, he played through a f***ing misplaced tendon wrapping around his ankle and terribly out of place. Why should we disregard last year? Well, for one, he came back prematurely. Second, he came back in the BULLPEN. That's not exactly what he was accustomed to before. He basically gave his ankle a light year back on the mound, a chance for it to fully heal, and now he's ready. If he gets killed this year, yes, there's no excuse. But good lord man, how can you take last year for Schilling and start bashing him because of it? The man won the Red Sox a f***ing world series on one leg the year before.

 

And also, if we can't say that the Yankees' rotation will suffer injury and not do as well as we think, you can't say s*** about Schilling.

[ORS]

so last yr was tainted so we should all disregard it? Yeah okay. BTW, when was the last time somebody took what Curt said seriously? Here is the deal, the guy is a top notch athlete and he was humbled last yr. Of course he will find a way to blame it on his injury. When he returned for the second time, he should have been fully healed. He still was pedestrian. While I dont think he'll be as bad as he was last yr, I think he will be a worse pitcher than most expect. He was more healthy than not last yr....

Well, considering his comments are coming at about T+14 months, and his doctors initially projected a 14-18 month period for full recovery, I'm inclined to believe that it is just starting to feel normal. Call me crazy, but I don't see that as a coincidental timeline agreement.

 

He was healthy when he came back in July? Are you high? He didn't have good drive until mid-August at least. And his mechanics were still jacked until mid-September. He actually started to approach his old peripheral numbers the last 3 starts of the year. He struck out 8.4, walked 1.39, and allowed .93 HR per 9 innings pitched. Those are right in line with his 2004 rates after coming to Boston. You may be a good doctor, but your baseball analytical skills are beyond suspect.

[schillingouttheks]

Thank you.

[ARod2212]

I personally would rather have Ichiro at the top of my order before Damon, also he's shown signs of declining and has really only had 2-4 good seasons.

 

Also I don't find Johnson that scary unless u count the wrinkles in his face.

 

Also Brown was just an example of what money has bought you, not the players on your team (thank you)

 

Comeback player the year as in back on steroids

 

ARod though he has good stats, is basically the cooler of the Majors.

Eh, Ichiro isn't all he's cracked up to be. Damon is at least in the top 5 leadoff hitters, and as such I still am not worried about him.

 

Well I guess you aren't a left handed hitter in the Major Leagues then, are you?

 

Brown hardly has anything to do with "So who wins the East" does he?

 

Comeback player of the year is not on steroids until he's suspended for it. No matter how much you hate to fathom it, he hit those 67 homers in the second half last year cleanly.

 

And the AL MVP is the AL MVP, case closed. I'll take him any day of the week.

[TheRivernator]

Um, actually, do you even remember the extent of the injury? Dude, he played through a f***ing misplaced tendon wrapping around his ankle and terribly out of place. Why should we disregard last year? Well, for one, he came back prematurely. Second, he came back in the BULLPEN. That's not exactly what he was accustomed to before. He basically gave his ankle a light year back on the mound, a chance for it to fully heal, and now he's ready. If he gets killed this year, yes, there's no excuse. But good lord man, how can you take last year for Schilling and start bashing him because of it? The man won the Red Sox a f***ing world series on one leg the year before.

 

And also, if we can't say that the Yankees' rotation will suffer injury and not do as well as we think, you can't say s*** about Schilling.

 

 

schilling had the terrible combination of injury and sucking consistently all in one. Look at the injured yankee pitchers, they all were pitching well (those that remain that is) and their injury was the clear demarcator for their poor performance. Schilling was healthy for a span last yr and he still sucked. So, barring injury, we should be fine. For schilling, barring injury, who the fug knows how he will do. BTW, the other 24 red sox would love to pound the crap out of you for that he won the championship on one leg bit. He would not have even gotten the start if it wasnt for DLowe and the rest of the gang. He just kept the train rolling.....

[jsinger121]

howd arod do when it really matters

[Cityofchampions33]

Well, considering his comments are coming at about T+14 months, and his doctors initially projected a 14-18 month period for full recovery, I'm inclined to believe that it is just starting to feel normal. Call me crazy, but I don't see that as a coincidental timeline agreement.

 

He was healthy when he came back in July? Are you high? He didn't have good drive until mid-August at least. And his mechanics were still jacked until mid-September. He actually started to approach his old peripheral numbers the last 3 starts of the year. He struck out 8.4, walked 1.39, and allowed .93 HR per 9 innings pitched. Those are right in line with his 2004 rates after coming to Boston. You may be a good doctor, but your baseball analytical skills are beyond suspect.

 

Starts with an O, ends with a nwed

 

(even if its not an owning, i just like sayin it)

[TheRivernator]

Well, considering his comments are coming at about T+14 months, and his doctors initially projected a 14-18 month period for full recovery, I'm inclined to believe that it is just starting to feel normal. Call me crazy, but I don't see that as a coincidental timeline agreement.

 

He was healthy when he came back in July? Are you high? He didn't have good drive until mid-August at least. And his mechanics were still jacked until mid-September. He actually started to approach his old peripheral numbers the last 3 starts of the year. He struck out 8.4, walked 1.39, and allowed .93 HR per 9 innings pitched. Those are right in line with his 2004 rates after coming to Boston. You may be a good doctor, but your baseball analytical skills are beyond suspect.

 

we shall see. I have a feeling Curt will not be the horse that everyone thinks he is. I think your rotation will be good enough to keep you competitive in spite of schilling, not because of him....

[VA Sox Fan]

howd arod do when it really matters

 

 

That's why he has the nickname "May-Rod"....yeah exactly...

 

faaaack you Riv, Schill kicked your asses when needed.....enjoy the Mousse, the Unich etc etc....

[TheRivernator]

also, gotta love how nobody here goes on stats or anything tangible. It is all "feeling". Everyone has a "feeling" that Lowell and Loretta and AGon and Youk can perform better this yr. Everyone has a "feeling" that Curt sucked solely because of injury in 2005. Everyone has a "feeling" that knee surgery also somehow re-attaches your balls (see foulke and clement). I think this season may hurt your "feelings". Sorry, but stats are a good way to see how a player will perform in years to come.....

[TheRivernator]

That's why he has the nickname "May-Rod"....yeah exactly...

 

faaaack you Riv, Schill kicked your asses when needed.....enjoy the Mousse, the Unich etc etc....

 

how'd he do last yr? I seem to remember a long bomb drifting deep into the night in his first appearance....

[ORS]

also, gotta love how nobody here goes on stats or anything tangible. It is all "feeling". Everyone has a "feeling" that Lowell and Loretta and AGon and Youk can perform better this yr. Everyone has a "feeling" that Curt sucked solely because of injury in 2005. Everyone has a "feeling" that knee surgery also somehow re-attaches your balls (see foulke and clement). I think this season may hurt your "feelings". Sorry, but stats are a good way to see how a player will perform in years to come.....

 

Maybe your own words will shut you the f*** up....

 

we shall see. I have a feeling Curt will not be the horse that everyone thinks he is. I think your rotation will be good enough to keep you competitive in spite of schilling, not because of him....

 

f*** man, it's on the same damn page. Don't you remember what you said 5 minutes ago? Hypocrite.

[jsinger121]

lets just call arod the new mr. may as he doesn't know how to step up in a big situation.

[Redguitar985]

also, gotta love how nobody here goes on stats or anything tangible. It is all "feeling". Everyone has a "feeling" that Lowell and Loretta and AGon and Youk can perform better this yr. Everyone has a "feeling" that Curt sucked solely because of injury in 2005. Everyone has a "feeling" that knee surgery also somehow re-attaches your balls (see foulke and clement). I think this season may hurt your "feelings". Sorry, but stats are a good way to see how a player will perform in years to come.....

 

Stats certainly have their value, but you can't rule out feelings. Wakefield's numbers weren't amazing last year, but we all know how great he really is. Nomar's 2005 stats say he blowed, but he had a fantastic end to the season once he returned from injury.

[RedSoxRooter]

Maybe your own words will shut you the f*** up....

 

 

 

f*** man, it's on the same damn page. Don't you remember what you said 5 minutes ago? Hypocrite.

 

Him being owned twice on the same page is pretty impressive though.

[riverside sluggers]

how'd he do last yr? I seem to remember a long bomb drifting deep into the night in his first appearance....

 

How he do in September when he was starting to regain some of his form? Oh thats right 3 total earned runs in 2 starts, one at yankee stadium the other at fenway

[jsinger121]

i can't wait to see mr. may struggle in clutch situations

[MC Hammer]

schilling had the terrible combination of injury and sucking consistently all in one. Look at the injured yankee pitchers, they all were pitching well (those that remain that is) and their injury was the clear demarcator for their poor performance. Schilling was healthy for a span last yr and he still sucked. So, barring injury, we should be fine. For schilling, barring injury, who the fug knows how he will do. BTW, the other 24 red sox would love to pound the crap out of you for that he won the championship on one leg bit. He would not have even gotten the start if it wasnt for DLowe and the rest of the gang. He just kept the train rolling.....

How many of those Yankee pitchers had serious career threatening injuries? Then how many of them came back way to early from the surgery? Right none of them. What Randy had a pain in his back? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! What Moose's arm got tight? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

 

You are a complete jackass, and a complete homer ... which makes you a complete Yankee fan.

[riverside sluggers]

eh, he's not like "Optimist", "26 to 6", and "Alexander". At least they try to keep the Red Sox vs Yanks arguments to a minimum.

[yankeessuck013]

haha best post I have read all night.

[MC Hammer]

eh, he's not like "Optimist", "26 to 6", and "Alexander". At least they try to keep the Red Sox vs Yanks arguments to a minimum.

It's not even that. Atleast, most of the time, the other Yankee fans reference stats, and have valid arguments.

 

BTW a "Yankee fan" in my book is exactly what that douche bag is. I consider any Yankee fan, who isn't a complete homer and a complete dumbass, an exception.

[ARod2212]

howd arod do when it really matters

Unless the regular season doesn't matter, he won an MVP award. He makes great plays in the field and had an ass load of big hits during the year. If you want to have selective memory, that's fine. But he is nowhere as bad as you try to make him out to be.

 

Last year he didn't play well in the playoffs, period. One series was all he had, and he didn't prove himself. Jeter, Bernie, Tino, et al. have all had bad postseasons (that lasted more than 5 games).

[jsinger121]

and how did he do at the tail end of the 2004 ALCS. mr may just doesn't get it done when it matters and to yankees fans october is the only thing that matters.

[ARod2212]

and how did he do at the tail end of the 2004 ALCS. mr may just doesn't get it done when it matters and to yankees fans october is the only thing that matters.

Ah yes, the first 3 games don't count at all either. Nor does the series winning hit he had against the Twins the series prior.

 

No, only the games they lost count.

[MC Hammer]

haha best post I have read all night.

Thanks. If nothing else I think I ended that jackasses night of posting.

[ORS]

and how did he do at the tail end of the 2004 ALCS. mr may just doesn't get it done when it matters and to yankees fans october is the only thing that matters.

The guy is only 30 and one of the most talented players ever. If I've learned anything, it's that you don't make statements like this because they will bite you in the ass. He'll get the job done in the clutch, and he'll fail again at some other point in the future. Statements like yours make ARod2212's sig line about retarded arguments very valid.

[gosox613]

did you happen to gander at Beltran's career numbers before making that dumb statement? Chacon did put a full season together in colorado, the pitchers graveyard. His total era was low 3's for all of last yr, and Wang was a rookie pitcher. So you can harp on how well pap did, but look down on wang because he didnt pitch a full yr. The hypocrisy is flowing strong here. Cmon man, wake up....

I did not happen to gander at his career numbers when im talking about how you said judging people by last year's stats is accurate which was not the case for beltran. and i never actually "harped" on paps performance, dont take me responsible for what others have said on the board

[The Monster is my Mom]

So, when do the Yanks and Sox play?

[stocker323]

So, when do the Yanks and Sox play?

 

May 1 at Fenway.

[He Hate Me]

sometimes I dont kow if the people who are arguing Boston v New York really mean it or its because of they keep reading how much of a rivalry it is. Not pointing any folks out, I just get that strange feeling sometimes.

 

Anyway, I think the Yanks and Boston rotations stack up well against each other with their strengths and weaknesses. I think the Sox own the edge in middle relief but the Yanks own the edge in the 9th. The Yanks middle is suck ass, and frankly until Foulke proves he's over his brain fart from last year, I doubt anyone wants to see their team turn the ball over to a young guy, regardless of how promising he may be.

 

As for the Offense, I think its pretty obvious the Yanks own an edge, just varies according to whether one is a Yank fan or not =P. As long as the Sox have Manny protecting Ortiz, though, I dont see why they cant combine for 80 HR, 230 RBI and 200 Runs scored.