Manny Abreu done?

[Soxfan1]

According to a Phillies fan site.....PhilliesPhans.com a reliable poster who supossedly called the Eric Milton and Billy Wagner signnigs, has come back and posted that Pat Gillick was in Boston today finalizing a Manny for Abreu deal...he said expect a press conf. this week.

 

i have to leave or I would find what he is talking about.

[schillingouttheks]

Well, I could believe this thread if you spelled "Abreu" right in the thread title.

 

Hah, just playin. Just because he called the Eric Milton and Billy Wagner signings means nothing. I'll believe it when it's on ESPN or one of the local news stations.

[jsinger121]

won't believe it until i see it across espn. message boards bring so much chatter. we have no idea who are credible sources and who are not.

[Beckett95]

i have to leave or I would find what he is talking about.

we already went through this with the Manny for Miggy deal on the orioles fan site. Theres hopefully no chance this happens. Do u have a link to the site?

[yankeessuck013]

they also said tejada for manny and clement was done too, so I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Definetely Not Manny straight up for Abreu. People on the PhillesPhans Forum were even asking to get Clement in the deal or a middle relief! are u kidding? We should not do this deal unless they throw in Rollins.

 

 

[Beckett95]

That might not be a bad deal

 

Manny and Clement for Abreu and Rollins

[Beckett95]

There saying on their board possibly Burell and Abreu. I hope this is just a joke

[schillingouttheks]

Burrell? Yum! If we get Abreu AND Burrell I'm a happy man. That's when we can just make Cora the SS.

[example1]

It could either be a great deal or a horrible one, we'll have to see (if it is even remotely true). We would still lack a CF and would have three power hitting corner outfielders. Again, completely speculating, but I can't help but wonder if this would lead to a Nixon to Seattle deal for Reed. Total speculation.

 

Burrell K's a whole lot, and Abreu's 2nd half drop was somewhat concerning (though his .376 OBP in a DROPOFF is pretty impressive).

 

One thing that makes me think this deal has legs is that the salaries exchanged would be essentially the same: Abreu + Burrell: (13.1 + 7.25 = 20.35m) vs. Manny: 19m plus future considerations....

 

I don't know about this. Assuming we get Reed here's a potential lineup:

 

Reed CF

Loretta 2B

Abreu RF

Ortiz DH

Burrell LF

Tek C

Lowell/Youkilis/Marte 3B

Youkilis/Snow 1B

Anyone with a glove SS

 

The top 2/3 are very solid. It isn't as explosive as Manny+ Ortiz, but it would be an adequate replacement.

 

I'm interested to see how this plays out. It probably won't, but its fun to think about a new rumor for the first time in weeks!

[schillingouttheks]

A REASONABLE one, that is

[riverside sluggers]

eh, no offense "example", but Reed has yet to shown he can bat leadoff. Considering the biggest fact, has never led off before in his career. As well as he's gotta prove that he can sustain an OBP a #1 batter is known for having, especially in Boston's case. It would be most suitable according to stats to bat him 6th. In 44 games batting that position he had hit .321 with a .387 OBP

[KeepTheFaith1229]

We don't want Abreu. I live in Phillies nation. He gets eaten alive here. He can barely handle the pressure of Philly. Imagine Boston. (shudder)

 

Edit: You've got to be kidding me about Burrell...

[example1]

eh, no offense "example", but Reed has yet to shown he can bat leadoff. Considering the biggest fact, has never led off before in his career. As well as he's gotta prove that he can sustain an OBP a #1 batter is known for having, especially in Boston's case. It would be most suitable according to stats to bat him 6th. In 44 games batting that position he had hit .321 with a .387 OBP

 

No offense taken riverside, none whatsoever. I think that the hope is that Reed can become a leadoff hitter, given his speed and the lack of ANYONE with speed on the sox roster. I understand that he isn't a leadoff hitter yet but put him there because I really dislike the idea of Youkilis as our leadoff hitter. We need to have someone who can score from second (or third) on a single most of the time.

[26 to 6]

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope this is true

[guapo34]

No thanks to Burrell. Now Abreu and Aaron Rowand would be pretty sweet. More proven than any of the center fielders that have been rumored to coming here. Abreu and prospects would could trade to Seattle for Reed or Tampa for Lugo wouldn't be bad either.

[jsinger121]

Its a rumor and that is all it is. Abreu is not as good as Tejada. Why would the Red Sox even think about taking 75 cents on the dollar for manny. The Red Sox aren't stupid and will never do something like that. unless they are giving us rollins and abreu than the deal is pointless. end of story.

[guapo34]

Rowand is pretty comparable to Rollins, makes less, and fills a bigger hole. Abreu is worse than Manny obviously, but the increased defense plus the addition of Rowand or Rollins makes it pretty close. I just think Rowand would be more likely cuz they have Michaels who could play center. Not sure if they'd have anyone who could replace Rollins.

[elsrbueno]

Its a rumor and that is all it is. Abreu is not as good as Tejada. Why would the Red Sox even think about taking 75 cents on the dollar for manny. The Red Sox aren't stupid and will never do something like that. unless they are giving us rollins and abreu than the deal is pointless. end of story.

 

The Red Sox would consider taking 75 cents on the dollar for Manny because they've shown that they'd give up Manny for NOTHING and getting Abreu is a hell of a lot more than nothing. Plus, the front office has got to be sick of his antics. He's impossible to read with his constant demands, and they've got to be a distraction. His lack of effort has got to burn the likes of Nixon and Varitek who play all out baseball and his contract is outrageous. The market has been laid out for Manny Ramirez, and considering what else is out there, this might be the best offer they've received.

 

Personally, I am not a big fan of Bobby Abreu. He's a very good hitter and I like the fact that he's a 30-30 guy but with Francona and the Red Sox management that would probably diminish to just about nothing. The problem with Abreu is that (like Ramirez) he gets accused of not trying in Philadelphia and the last thing we need is Ramirez v.2 without the offensive prowess.

 

Abreu and Burell works out money wise with Ramirez, and those two combined would adequately replace the offensive numbers we'd lose in Ramirez, but there are things to consider with that deal:

 

We'd then have 3 corner outfielders (Abreu, Burell, Nixon) and one would need to be dealt for a centerfielder. Burell COULD play first, but the organization has said time and time again that Youkilis would be given a chance at that job. This gives the team a bit of depth to deal from at the corners to deal from and a Nixon/Reed deal could be possible.

 

I don't see this trade working out. Philadelphia fans are hard on their players and they'd HATE Manny Ramirez. He'd no doubt demand a trade after a year and if he stuck to his guns (which he never seems to do) the Phillies would be obligated to trade him or let him become a free agent. I don't think Philadelphia is a reasonable location for Manny Ramirez.

 

My personal opinion is that any Manny trade changes the face of the franchise. We go from being the Ortiz and Manny show to having to depend offensively on the whole lineup, which in my opinion means we need to strengthen other areas in the process, namely pitching and defense. Considering a corpse can play better defense than Manny Ramirez, simply getting him out of Boston improves outfield defense dramatically, but if I was trading Ramirez I'd want a top-end pitcher (ala Mark Prior, Carlos Zambrano, or someone of that caliber) and prospects. The prospects can be either stored up for the future, dealt immediately for a bat or two, or saved for the trade deadline when there would probably be more available.

[jsinger121]

I don't think the red sox are willing to just give him away anymore. they are not gonna just throw away 2006 and further by placing him on waivers again because this time he will be claimed by someone. I would rather keep manny than trade him for abreu who isn't even close to the player manny is.

[riverside sluggers]

mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that this "done deal" is nothing more than message board talk.

[guapo34]

The Red Sox would consider taking 75 cents on the dollar for Manny because they've shown that they'd give up Manny for NOTHING and getting Abreu is a hell of a lot more than nothing. Plus, the front office has got to be sick of his antics. He's impossible to read with his constant demands, and they've got to be a distraction. His lack of effort has got to burn the likes of Nixon and Varitek who play all out baseball and his contract is outrageous. The market has been laid out for Manny Ramirez, and considering what else is out there, this might be the best offer they've received.

 

 

They were never willing to give him up for nothing. Vlad Guerrero was a free agent when we put Manny on waivers, along with a few other big names like Tejada and Sheffield. But with Vlad being good friends with Pedro, and an opening if Manny gets claimed, the sox definately would've replaced Manny with Guerrero for far less money had somebody claimed Manny. Since Vlad isn't a free agent now, along with every other decent hitter, we can't get rid of him for 75 cents on the dollar. If we were going to do that he'd be gone already.

[MANNYHOF24]

The redsox should be concerend with getting a ss and cf not trading one of the best hitters in the game, with the addition of a Coco Crisp or J. reed i think the sox could be contendors next season.

[Plumpamania]

From http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

 

Manny To Philly Rumor Looks False

 

This trade rumor has been lighting up forums across the Internet all day long: Manny Ramirez to the Phillies for Bobby Abreu. According to the rumor, it's "basically a done deal." I got in touch with my very best Phillies source for the scoop. According to my source:

 

"I checked it out with high-ranking sources as early as 4 p.m., then again at 7. Nothing is going on."

[a700hitter]

Manny said he doesn't want to go to the NL. He'd probably veto a trade to Phiily.

[Redguitar985]

Rowand is pretty comparable to Rollins, makes less, and fills a bigger hole. Abreu is worse than Manny obviously, but the increased defense plus the addition of Rowand or Rollins makes it pretty close. I just think Rowand would be more likely cuz they have Michaels who could play center. Not sure if they'd have anyone who could replace Rollins.

 

Rowand's a great outfielder who could play center, so I'd like that pickup. And Rollins is a speedy guy, so we could solve both the leadoff and shortstop holes there. If they dealt Manny for Rowand and Rollins, I wouldn't mind it that much.

[Plumpamania]

Rowand's a great outfielder who could play center, so I'd like that pickup. And Rollins is a speedy guy, so we could solve both the leadoff and shortstop holes there. If they dealt Manny for Rowand and Rollins, I wouldn't mind it that much.

 

Marte to LF, which is what the FO is thinking of doing anyway. That might mean Nixon in CF and Marte in RF. Which gives us the worst defensive OF in baseball, but possibly one of the most offensive.

[schillingouttheks]

, Marte can't be in LF and RF at the same time. I think you meant Marte in LF, Rowand in CF, and Nixon in RF? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[gosox613]

Marte to LF, which is what the FO is thinking of doing anyway. That might mean Nixon in CF and Marte in RF. Which gives us the worst defensive OF in baseball, but possibly one of the most offensive.

I am having a really tough time finding that to be the most offensive OF in baseball, especially if in order for it to happen abreu and manny would be in one together.

[Plumpamania]

I am having a really tough time finding that to be the most offensive OF in baseball, especially if in order for it to happen abreu and manny would be in one together.

 

Well just saying for right now I said ONE of the best. That is if we did, Ramirez/Nixon/Marte from right to left. The Yankees will have the most productive. I'd imagine that the A's, Mets, Devil Rays, Angels, Braves would also all be up there.

[gosox613]

Ohhhh i thought you meant if we traded for rowand