speech impediment or is he just retarded?

[26 to 6]

yea, im pretty tired of this "best leadoff hitter in the game" stuff, I will take Ichiro over Damon ANY DAY!

[a700hitter]

HOw come it would be worse for the Yankees to "reach the top of the mountain" than the Sox not making the playoffs?

 

..that is definately something I noticed about the Sox and their fans. They are more concerned about the Yankees then themselves. After the series was won the big thing was the fact that you guys beat the Yankees, trust me, when we win a World Series, we're happy because we won, not because you didnt. The media, fans, and organization have taken that mindset up there where everything that takes place has something to do with the Yankees. To the Red Sox 28 teams are non-existant, the only two teams that exist to a lot of RSN (note, I said A LOT, not all of RSN) are the Yankees and Red Sox.

 

I dont get it.

 

 

Anyways...didnt mean to start controversy with my statement, but I know thats what is going to be the end result...sorry

You are right. You are not getting it. The Red Sox winning is more enjoyable than the Yankees losing, unless the Red Sox are the one's beating them. But if we don't win, it makes matters so much worse if the Yankees do win, because we have to put up with the likes of thousands of Yankee fans like yourself walking around like arrogant asses. BTW when you lost to the Red Sox in 2004, are you gonna tell me it was just like any other loss. It wasn't worse becauseit was at the hands of RSN.

[SCM33]

yea, im pretty tired of this "best leadoff hitter in the game" stuff, I will take Ichiro over Damon ANY DAY!

 

 

Damon: .316 75RBI 117R .366 OBP 6.17 RC/27 .805 OPS 94SB% 53BB .439 SLG 35 2B

Ichiro: .303 68RBI 111R .350 OBP 5.63 RC/27 .786 OPS 80SB% 48BB .436 SLG 21 2B

 

Ichiro had more hits, SB and HR than Ichiro. Thats it. Damon created more runs, scored more runs, had a better OB%, OPS%, walked more in less AB's and got into scoring position more. Everything asked of a leadoff hitter Damon did better than Ichiro. Ichiro stole more bases however Damon was in scoring position more often and created more runs. Advantage > Damon.

 

Is Ichiro a better all around player? Probably. Is he a better leadoff hitter? Not according to those numbers.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

You are right. You are not getting it. The Red Sox winning is more enjoyable than the Yankees losing, unless the Red Sox are the one's beating them. But if we don't win, it makes matters so much worse if the Yankees do win, because we have to put up with the likes of thousands of Yankee fans like yourself walking around like arrogant asses. BTW when you lost to the Red Sox in 2004, are you gonna tell me it was just like any other loss. It wasn't worse becauseit was at the hands of RSN.

In my opinion, the 2001 loss was much worse than the 2004 one. It's not like you guys got rid of your curse by beating the Yankees, you did it by beating the Cards. The stakes weren't as high, either. RSN called out the Yankees because you guys said you wanted to beat the Yankees to make victory sweet. I don't think I've ever heard a Yankee player or fan calling out the Red Sox because it would make victory that much better.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

yea, im pretty tired of this "best leadoff hitter in the game" stuff, I will take Ichiro over Damon ANY DAY!

 

 

i wouldnt.

 

PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB BA OBP SLG OPS

Johnny Damon Bos 621 115 197 35 6 10 75 18 1 52 .317 .367 .441 .808

Ichiro Suzuki Sea 678 111 206 21 12 15 68 33 8 48 .304 .351 .437 .787

[26 to 6]

Here's why it will cause controversy:

 

You make generalizations about all Sox fans based on the comment of one. I know you have heard this from more than one person, but that doesn't justify labeling everyone. Perhaps if you were to say something like, "It seems like a lot Sox fans do this...", then less people would get upset. Personally, I want the Sox to win first and foremost, but if they don't, then it wouldn't ruin my day if the Yankees lost. I'm pretty sure this is how most feel, just as it is how you feel with the opposite results.

the only two teams that exist to a lot of RSN (note, I said A LOT, not all of RSN) are the Yankees and Red Sox.

 

sure, I like to see the Sox lose, but Yankee fans dont take it to the extent that sox fans do.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

sure, I like to see the Sox lose, but Yankee fans dont take it to the extent that sox fans do.

 

I definitely agree.

 

I went to a sox-blue jays game once at fenway, and the crowd chanted 'yankees suck' the whole time. You'd never see that in New York

[schillingouttheks]

RSN called out the Yankees because you guys said you wanted to beat the Yankees to make victory sweet. I don't think I've ever heard a Yankee player or fan calling out the Red Sox because it would make victory that much better.

Question: How many Red Sox fans have ever rubbed their victories in your face pre-2004?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

How many big victories did the sox have to brag about pre-2004?

[Optimist]

How many big victories did the sox have to brag about pre-2004?

 

[26 to 6]

In my opinion, the 2001 loss was much worse than the 2004 one. It's not like you guys got rid of your curse by beating the Yankees, you did it by beating the Cards. The stakes weren't as high, either. RSN called out the Yankees because you guys said you wanted to beat the Yankees to make victory sweet. I don't think I've ever heard a Yankee player or fan calling out the Red Sox because it would make victory that much better.

I agree, 2001 was way worse

 

You are right. You are not getting it. The Red Sox winning is more enjoyable than the Yankees losing, unless the Red Sox are the one's beating them. But if we don't win, it makes matters so much worse if the Yankees do win, because we have to put up with the likes of thousands of Yankee fans like yourself walking around like arrogant asses. BTW when you lost to the Red Sox in 2004, are you gonna tell me it was just like any other loss. It wasn't worse becauseit was at the hands of RSN.

I think you are overreading into my post. Of coarse 2004 was bad, and sure it was worse because it was to the sox, but only because every sox fan in the history of history threw it in our faces.

 

All I was saying was that the Sox and (most) of their are as obsessed with the Yankees as they are with the Red Sox. Whenever I watch NESN SportsDesk they are always comparing the two, TC is always putting the Yankees down, fans chant Yankees Suck even when they are not playing the Yankees, fans chanted Yankees Suck at the Patriots SuperBowl celebration, about half of the articles about the Sox in Boston papers mention the Yankees somewhere, there are numerous Yankees Suck websites out there (I can only think of 1 anti Red Sox site off the top of my head)...I could go on forever with examples, but I think you should get my point. Some Sox fans would rather the Sox lose and the Yankees lose than the Sox win and the Yankees win.

[schillingouttheks]

How many big victories did the sox have to brag about pre-2004?

That was my point. It was sweet to go through NY because we had nothing. Instead, we put up with Yankees fans rubbing their 26 world championships s*** in our faces. And FINALLY, when we have our moment of glory, it was nice.

 

But thanks for proving my point.

[26 to 6]

That was my point. It was sweet to go through NY because we had nothing. Instead, we put up with Yankees fans rubbing their 26 world championships s*** in our faces. And FINALLY, when we have our moment of glory, it was nice.

 

But thanks for proving my point.

Why is it that it was sweeter against the Yankees then say if it were against Baltimore, Anaheim, Oakland, etc..??

[vegassoxfan]

How many big victories did the sox have to brag about pre-2004?

 

 

how many have you had post 2000?

[vegassoxfan]

i think bill simmons said it best. somewhere in new york a 5 year old kid is wondering if the yankees are going to win the WS in their lifetime.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

i think bill simmons said it best. somewhere in new york a 5 year old kid is wondering if the yankees are going to win the WS in their lifetime.

 

yeah yeah...and somewhere in boston theres a 2 yr old wondering the same thing...

 

At least we're trying to build a winner here.

 

What is your front office doing again?

[26 to 6]

how many have you had post 2000?

2001, ALDS vs Oakland = HUGE WIN

2003, ALCS vs Boston = HUGE WIN

2005, AL East Champions = HUGE WIN

[BigPapiEnFuego]

2001, ALDS vs Oakland = HUGE WIN

2003, ALCS vs Boston = HUGE WIN

2005, AL East Champions = HUGE WIN

 

2001, World Series vs Arizona = HUGE LOSS

2003, World Series vs Marlins =HUGE LOSS

2004, ALCS vs Boston= HUGE LOSS

2005, ALCS vs Anaheim = HUGE LOSS

 

Boston?

 

2003=Loss.

2004= 2 BIG wins.

2005=Loss.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

2001, World Series vs Arizona = HUGE LOSS

2003, World Series vs Marlins =HUGE LOSS

2004, ALCS vs Boston= HUGE LOSS

2005, ALCS vs Anaheim = HUGE LOSS

 

Boston?

 

2003=Loss.

2004= 2 BIG wins.

2005=Loss.

 

ok so how is the alds vs anaheim for us a HUGE LOSS, when you getting MANHANDLED by the white sox is just a loss?

 

A piss poor title defense such as that is a HUGE LOSS. Sorry.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Because We got swept by the best team in baseball that year. That's why. The team you lost to ended up losing to the team we lost to.

[26 to 6]

2001, World Series vs Arizona = HUGE LOSS

2003, World Series vs Marlins =HUGE LOSS

2004, ALCS vs Boston= HUGE LOSS

2005, ALCS vs Anaheim = HUGE LOSS

 

Boston?

 

2003=Loss.

2004= 2 BIG wins.

2005=Loss.

the question was how many huge wins do we have since 2000, not how many huge losses...smartass!!

 

And no, I wont stoop to your level and list all of the Sox's huge losses prior to 2004, would just take way too much time.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

And no, I wont stoop to your level and list all of the Sox's huge losses prior to 2004, would just take way too much time.

 

God, I think my hands would fall off.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

It all doesn't matter anyway. If it's not a world series win, then it shouldn't be a huge win. Since 2000 it's 1 to 1. Since then it's been identical teams.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[a700hitter]

In my opinion, the 2001 loss was much worse than the 2004 one. It's not like you guys got rid of your curse by beating the Yankees, you did it by beating the Cards. The stakes weren't as high, either. RSN called out the Yankees because you guys said you wanted to beat the Yankees to make victory sweet. I don't think I've ever heard a Yankee player or fan calling out the Red Sox because it would make victory that much better.

You are still missing the point. Beating the Yankees is sweet, but losing to them is disastrous. You say that 2001 was much worse. Was it because it was the World Series, the freshness of the trauma of 9/11? How many DiamondBack fans made you suffer after that loss? Do you know any Diamondback fans? It's strange that you didn't mention 2003 as being worse than 2004. That was a World Series loss, and you lost in your house. When the Red Sox beat you did you hear about it from any Red Sox fans?

[schillingouttheks]

Why is it that it was sweeter against the Yankees then say if it were against Baltimore, Anaheim, Oakland, etc..??

Because teams from Baltimore, Anaheim, Oakland, etc NEVER rubbed their successes in our faces. NEVER. All we heard from you guys was "1918" or "26" etc..

 

So finally, while you watched us go through NY and on to win the World Series, it was sweet.

[a700hitter]

yeah yeah...and somewhere in boston theres a 2 yr old wondering the same thing...

 

At least we're trying to build a winner here.

 

What is your front office doing again?

You are how old? 16 or 17. So, you were 8 when the Yankees won in 1996. You didn't even know what the Infield Fly Rule meant. So, you have seen 4 WS Champions and 1 RS WS Championship. You didn't see Bucky or Buckner. You have seen Aaron Boone, but that year you lost the WS to an expansion team. You did get to see the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS with the biggest comeback of all-time, or in the Yankees case-- the biggest choke of all-time. So, what are you squawking about with this 26 reasons to Hates Us. You've seen 4. I've seen 1. The score is 4 to 1, and our 1 was record-breaking.

[Optimist]

It's nice to see this thread which started about a completely meaningless topic (Damon's speaking habits) has devolved into a thread about another completely meaningless topic.

[a700hitter]

It's nice to see this thread which started about a completely meaningless topic (Damon's speaking habits) has devolved into a thread about another completely meaningless topic.

Correction, the Damon thread was originally meaningless, but it has degenerated into something that is pointless as well. I am happy to have contributed.

[26 to 6]

You are still missing the point. Beating the Yankees is sweet, but losing to them is disastrous. You say that 2001 was much worse. Was it because it was the World Series, the freshness of the trauma of 9/11? How many DiamondBack fans made you suffer after that loss? Do you know any Diamondback fans? It's strange that you didn't mention 2003 as being worse than 2004. That was a World Series loss, and you lost in your house. When the Red Sox beat you did you hear about it from any Red Sox fans?

2001 was worse than any of those that you mentioned.

 

1) 9/11

2) Leading going into the bottom of the 9th game 7

3) Game 4

4) Game 5

5) Paul O'Neill retiring

6) Scott Brosious retiring

7) The assumption that it would be Tino's last year

8) It was the World Series

9) We played well enough to win the damn thing, and we felt robbed

10) All of the above

 

Say what you want about 2003, 2004, etc...2001 will always be muchharder to deal with.

 

So finally, while you watched us go through NY and on to win the World Series, it was sweet.

If we had won the World Series in 2003 and I made the statement you just made, except switching NY with Boston, I would be villified by every single person on here for being "just another typical Yankee fan"

 

It all doesn't matter anyway. If it's not a world series win, then it shouldn't be a huge win. Since 2000 it's 1 to 1. Since then it's been identical teams.

It doesnt matter now, but I bet it mattered to you when you were typing out post number 48.