Ramirez Asks For Trade (merged)

[riverside sluggers]

Glaus at first in a trade with arizona--(( they needed to dump him for two reasons his position is already taken by the new wave of rookies tracy etc.. and he is going to cost them way too much money .. they'll save about 5 mil by taking wells and someone like shoppach would be a good fit as their backup catcher

 

I understand, I want Glaus too. but really wells and Shoppach would be worth at like $6 million. Since Arizona still owes $37 million to Glaus, they will require bigger players particularly those who can drive in runs, so they won't have to eat up a huge chunk of glaus' contract

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

great! thats all we need...(Damon + Cameron) = mulitple outfielders without power...

 

I'm not buyin it, face it, Met fans are just praying for someone to take a HUGE chance on Cameron and exchange their unhappy outfielder for our unhappy outfielder and get an instant all-star in Manny for what amounts to a handful of magic beans... No David Wright, No deal! NEXT!

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

cameron switched to right field last year didn't he when beltran came in .. so damon in cf and cameron in rf then nixon in LF

Glaus at first in a trade with arizona--(( they needed to dump him for two reasons his position is already taken by the new wave of rookies tracy etc.. and he is going to cost them way too much money .. they'll save about 5 mil by taking wells and someone like shoppach would be a good fit as their backup catcher

Your right about milledge he won't start until 2007 but that lineup looks to be pretty good

damon

hanley

ortiz

glaus

tek

milledge

nixon--- get rid of nixon for someone younger in FA but that's next years talk

rent

pedroia

 

What happened to Mike Cameron?? Did we release him a year later?? Did we dump Youkilis too and replace him at 3rd base with Edgar Renteria?? Or is Hanley now playing 3rd base??

 

Its really hard to find a trade for Manny Ramirez....but I still think it will cost more than Cameron, Milledge, and Heilman. Maybe not more players but certainly better players. I don't know how much better Lastings Milledge will be from Jacoby Ellsbury, Brandon Moss, or David Murphy down the line.

[ognuola]

what do you think it would take to get glaus ???

[ognuola]

milledge has much more upside from moss and murphy I'd like to see moss be a 4th OF but that's about it.

Oh to answer your question yes I would trade off cameron and i don't know about youkliis i kind of forgot about him-I just don' see much upside with him ,either that or i'm predujice against people with horseshoe heads but i would prefer to use renteria at 3rd base hanley at ss

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I still think they need to give up a big name to get it done. Carlos Beltran would probably do it cause they would move Cameron over to CF and have Manny and Floyd patrol the sides. Or they can give up David Wright and say Milledge for Manny and Youkilis. Yes I think a deal can get done there (there has been enough talk about it) but it would need to give the Sox a secure all around player and prospect(s).....as myself and others have said...we are trading Manny Ramirez (the name says it all) and it should NOT come cheap. Otherwise we should just keep him and call his bluff on sitting out.

[ognuola]

I still think they need to give up a big name to get it done. Carlos Beltran would probably do it cause they would move Cameron over to CF and have Manny and Floyd patrol the sides. Or they can give up David Wright and say Milledge for Manny and Youkilis. Yes I think a deal can get done there (there has been enough talk about it) but it would need to give the Sox a secure all around player and prospect(s).....as myself and others have said...we are trading Manny Ramirez (the name says it all) and it should NOT come cheap. Otherwise we should just keep him and call his bluff on sitting out.

 

I would do david wright and milledge in a second we would have to pay them pennies and would free up a boatload . I agree manny is worth something big I just think they are showing their hands to early. as long as two to three teams are bidding for him such as angels,mets, dodgers then we should get some good return but if the mets are the only buyers out there where going to get stiffed big time

[riverside sluggers]

i do believe that in the end, if a trade is done, it will involve players that havent even been discussed about. This hot stove talk about Manny for cameron and manny for santanna, etc. could be a diversion of what the sox's gm by committe is actually doing down in florida.

[ksushi]

I wish the mets would do wright and milledge, that would make me very happy but I don't think its realistic.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

if the mets want manny bad enough (and we know how impulsive omar is) they're gonna have to pay to get him, even if that included either a david wright or carlos beltran. manny still has many more years ahead of him and is not like an aging bonds that is on the tail end of his career. it just ends up being a waiting game to see how desperate ny gets.

[guapo34]

David Wright is never getting traded. They pay him next to nothing for big time production. If he were a free agent he'd probably get 5 years, 70 million. Manny as a free agent would probably go for 3 year 15 million. Small upgrade for the mets for an additional 18+ million.

 

In my opnion, Cameron plus two prospects, heilman and milledge, for Manny is one of the better trades I've seen. We save 13 million which would could use to sign a big name free agent. If you throw konerko, burnett, or giles into that deal it looks a lot better. Definately like that better than glaus and erstad, though i still think we might be able to do better.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

um, if this was a salary dump (which it isn't) they why take cameron at all? there is little chance konerko will realistically land in boston, burnett is an overrated unnecessary risk that will cost too much, and giles is marginally better, but not worth backing up the truck and overpaying. Erstad can play multiple gold glove caliber positions and glaus still has plenty of power and might benefit going back to the AL. I'd rather keep Manny unless someone was seriously willing to overpay for him.

[ksushi]

Manny would get 3 years and about 30 million but hey, small differences.

[guapo34]

Manny would get 3 years and about 30 million but hey, small differences.

 

Last year Richie Sexson, Adrian Beltre, JD Drew, Troy Glaus, Pedro, Magglio Ordonez, Edgar Renteria, Jason Varitek, And Carlos Beltran all got 10 million a year or more. Carl Pavano, Russ Ortiz, Derek Lowe, Matt Clement, Jeff Kent, Al Leiter, and Erik Milton all got over 8. This offseason most people agree there are more teams that want to spend money than last year, and not as many players. You think Manny would get 3 years and 30 million?

[guapo34]

um, if this was a salary dump (which it isn't) they why take cameron at all? there is little chance konerko will realistically land in boston, burnett is an overrated unnecessary risk that will cost too much, and giles is marginally better, but not worth backing up the truck and overpaying. Erstad can play multiple gold glove caliber positions and glaus still has plenty of power and might benefit going back to the AL. I'd rather keep Manny unless someone was seriously willing to overpay for him.

 

 

You take Cameron, if hes healthy, because you have a need in center field, and the Mets won't take the whole salary without giving some contract back. I'm not saying its a salary dump, just that if we save 13 million in a trade its also useful to take into account who we would spend that money on.

[riverside sluggers]

You think Manny would get 3 years and 30 million?

 

a player in his 30's who is capable of 40+ HRs and 140+ RBIs, Id say yes very much so and even more.

 

but thats not an issue with him still having 3 seasons left at $57 million, and he has said he will retire after his contract ends. He will be 37 years old at the time.

[guapo34]

lets see... a player in his 30's who is capable of 40+ HRs and 140+ RBIs, Id say yes very much so and even more.

 

but thats not an issue with him still having 3 seasons left at $57 million, and he has said he will retire after his contract ends. He will be 37 years old at the time.

 

 

that was my point. I think he'd get a lot more. But like you said its a pointless discussion.

[ognuola]

I just heard another three way trade rumor or variation of an old one

dany baez, aubrey huff, from TB ,prospect milledge , and cameron

 

They then would spin cameron ,wells to arizona for Glaus

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

All those guys going to the Red Sox???

 

So we trade Manny Ramirez and David Wells....in the end we recieve Danys Baez, Aubrey Huff, Lastings Milledge, and Troy Glaus. Most likely we would then resign Johnny Damon. Hmmm....

 

1. Johnny Damon (CF)

2. Edgar Renteria (SS)

3. David Ortiz (DH)

4. Troy Glaus (1B )

5. Aubrey Huff (RF)

6. Jason Varitek ©

7. Trot Nixon (LF)

8. Kevin Youkilis (3B )

9. Dustin Pedroia (2B )

 

....add Milledge to the farm system and Baez as a setup man with Timlin

 

....interesting...very interesting

 

Manny would get 3 years and about 30 million but hey, small differences.

 

HAHAHA no way...Manny would get 4-5 years at 15 million each year I guarantee it. Look at what Brian Giles just asked for and he isn't close to Manny Ramirez. He is a much better hitter than Paul Konerko and think about what he will be payed. Look at what Magglio Ordonez got payed last season (5 years - 70 million??). Carlos Beltran got payed huge money....Manny Ramirez is elite...he would deffinitly get paid $15 million a year and most likely by the Yankees.

[ognuola]

that lineup looks great,much improved defense wise but the pitching is the great if I know schill is a natural but all my eggs are in his basket next year because their is no where else to turn

schilling

wakefield

clement

arroyo

papelbon

[Ray10]

I just read this now. Apparently New York is talking to the D-Rays about acquiring Baez and Huff who they would then flip to Boston for Manny.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/363852p-309845c.html

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

I just heard another three way trade rumor or variation of an old one

dany baez, aubrey huff, from TB ,prospect milledge , and cameron

 

They then would spin cameron ,wells to arizona for Glaus

 

 

I can live with this deal. :thumbsup: No big names coming in exchange for Manny, but talent-wise we should be set. Would we still aquire a free agent on top of this, or would free agent = resigning Damon?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I can live with this deal. :thumbsup: No big names coming in exchange for Manny, but talent-wise we should be set. Would we still aquire a free agent on top of this, or would free agent = resigning Damon?

 

Wells (if he hit all incentives or whatever) I think would cost close to what Glaus is being payed this year. Then the exchange of money from Manny to Baez (not sure?), Milledge (costs nothing), and Huff (again not really sure?) I think we might actually save. If thats the case I would say JD figures it out and comes back especially with Tito really pushing the Sox to resign him. That would fill all the holes on offense and defense with our money coming close to the same I would think....leaving us room to go after free agent pitchers. Possibly make a hard push for Wagner or Ryan.

[26 to 6]

Wells (if he hit all incentives or whatever) I think would cost close to what Glaus is being payed this year. Then the exchange of money from Manny to Baez (not sure?), Milledge (costs nothing), and Huff (again not really sure?) I think we might actually save. If thats the case I would say JD figures it out and comes back especially with Tito really pushing the Sox to resign him. That would fill all the holes on offense and defense with our money coming close to the same I would think....leaving us room to go after free agent pitchers. Possibly make a hard push for Wagner or Ryan.

wow...this trade, which looked to benefit us, might actually benefit you guys

 

I just hope that if the Mets get baez and huff that they dont spin them both off onto you, I hope that we keep Baez.

[riverside sluggers]

wow...this trade, which looked to benefit us, might actually benefit you guys

 

I just hope that if the Mets get baez and huff that they dont spin them both off onto you, I hope that we keep Baez.

 

oh yeah, myself im gunning more for huff to come to the Sox. Just got this great feeling he'd be a good fit to Red Sox Nation. He brings so much to the table

[ognuola]

Huff ($6.75 million) and Baez ($4 million) in the last years of their contracts. manny at 20 mil this yeasr would mean an excess of 9.25. A couple mil for damon's raise and 3/21 deal for ryan to close . imagine what that bullpen would look like

ryan-closer

foulke

baez

timlin

delcarmen

dinardo and hansen coming probably mid year from AAA

our pitchers could pitch 5 innings and I'd still feel confident

[26 to 6]

butwhat if Foulke has a bad year again, Hansen and DiNardo are unabe to compete under so much pressure with so little experience, abd Timlin has a so-so year.

 

You know what you have then, you have the 2005 Boston Red Sox bullpen (feautiring a slightly different cast).

 

 

I think you guys would need another guy, a guy like Ramiro Mendoza in his prime, somebody that could fill multiple bullpen roles and is reliable. Hell, we(Yankees) need that too!.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

It is deffinitly a way to go......one thing to keep in mind too....and this is off subject a little but it would possibly change the Sox thinking.....

 

At the GM meetings the Red Sox have contacted and been talking to the agent for Paul Konerko. We will have to see if anything develops and although there were indications he would not go to Boston it appears that has changed. According to Craig Landis (agent for Konerko) he said the Red Sox were deffinitly not out of the running to land Konerko. If that is the case and by some crazy means the Red Sox are able to lure him over from Chicago, they may want to reconsider the possible Manny trade. I don't think you can find a better 3-4-5 punch than Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, and Paul Konerko.

 

Although they could still do that deal with the Mets and Tampa Bay and instead of sending Cameron and Wells to Arizona for Troy Glaus you could find something else for them.

 

Sooooooooo many possibilities

[ksushi]

Last year Richie Sexson, Adrian Beltre, JD Drew, Troy Glaus, Pedro, Magglio Ordonez, Edgar Renteria, Jason Varitek, And Carlos Beltran all got 10 million a year or more. Carl Pavano, Russ Ortiz, Derek Lowe, Matt Clement, Jeff Kent, Al Leiter, and Erik Milton all got over 8. This offseason most people agree there are more teams that want to spend money than last year, and not as many players. You think Manny would get 3 years and 30 million?

 

I was just saying that because someone said he would get something like 3 years 15 million. Its ok, i know he would get a lot of money.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I just thought of something I'm sure many of us wouldn't be excited to hear but.....if the Mets made a trade for Baez and Aubrey Huff.....why would they then trade with us??? They would have to give up pitching prospects (to TB ), Lastings Milledge, and Mike Cameron for Manny Ramirez.

 

Aubrey Huff is a power bat they can use for the OF and try to move Mike Cameron for something. They also need a closer and it so happens thats what Baez is. I'm thinking the Mets would make this deal and keep it rather than move them for Manny Ramirez who again 'can veto' the trade which he did make a comment saying he didnt want to go to New York.