Ramirez Asks For Trade (merged)

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

So would you guys rather have:

 

Troy Glaus and Darin Erstad or

Aubrey Huff and Mike Cameron

 

...sound like similar deals....the difference would obviously be prospects coming to Boston in the Angel trade (Ervin Santana or others). So I'm obviously taking the Angel trade in that regards BUT....who would you rather have on the Sox when it comes to those above players??

[ksushi]

I would take the Angels deal only if Ervin Santana was included.

[BoSox84]

Saw this today

 

Rumor quashed

From the Globe's Chris Snow: "Arizona general manager Josh Byrnes, who last week was the assistant GM of the Sox, quashed speculation raised in yesterday's Los Angeles Times of a possible three-way deal between the Red Sox, Diamondbacks, and Angels that would send Manny Ramirez to Los Angeles and bring Arizona third baseman Troy Glaus and Angels first baseman Darin Erstad to Boston. Prospects would also change hands, according to the Times, which cited baseball sources in its report. 'Nothing to the trade rumor,' Byrnes said. A survey of the league's landscape suggests that the Angels and Mets would be most interested in and capable of dealing for Ramirez, both in terms of prospects and money to spend. Ramirez, last Friday, through a representative, informed owner John Henry that he wants out."

[ksushi]

Well I think that he has to do that. Remember how many people came out and said the yankees weren't trying to get Randy Johnson last offseason before it became blatently obvious? The Angels want Ramirez and they're going to try hard to get him, so that being said, theres definetly something to these rumors, Byrnes has to say that to make sure that incase glaus doesn't get traded, he doesn't have a malcontent on his hands. Theres probably something to the rumors.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Everyone denies possible trade rumors. They like to keep things behind closed doors as much as possible...its always been that way. When things are leaked to a large extent (a la Noma) then stuff can get messy...ksushi is right in that the players for the Angels and D-backs could be fragile and get upset if they are trying to be traded and dont get traded...they feel the team doesnt want them.

[Varitek33]

He needs to make up his damn mind.

 

I agree. I'm so tired of his ********. Shut up and play.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I wouldn't want Manny to go to the Angels. That would only make them stronger. It would be likely we would have to play them in the playoffs, or for some reason maybe fight them for the wildcard, and that would make it only harder.

[example1]

I wouldn't want Manny to go to the Angels. That would only make them stronger. It would be likely we would have to play them in the playoffs, or for some reason maybe fight them for the wildcard, and that would make it only harder.

 

Uh, yeah. It probably would make them better. You can't just go giving away guys who drive in 135 runs year after year after year and not expect it to come back and bite you in the ass. It is disgusting that this conversation would even come up. This is the equivalent of giving up Terell Owens or Ladanian Tomlonson just because they say they don't like soe of the pressure. NO player should have this much power. Of course, for some reason, the Sox brass wants to get rid of his contract.. but why? There isn't anyone worth spending the money on anyway.

[riverside sluggers]

Of course, for some reason, the Sox brass wants to get rid of his contract.. but why? There isn't anyone worth spending the money on anyway.

 

i think the Sox are getting more tired of Manny's attitude and monthly trade requests that he does. By now dude, Im really getting tired of it. Now he's threatening he wont show up for spring training if he's not dealt. The White Sox proved you didnt have to have a lot of offense to win it all, its all about the pitching and defense. The Sox are setting in motion a bullpen and starting rotation that will be strong and durable.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Uh, yeah. It probably would make them better. You can't just go giving away guys who drive in 135 runs year after year after year and not expect it to come back and bite you in the ass. It is disgusting that this conversation would even come up. This is the equivalent of giving up Terell Owens or Ladanian Tomlonson just because they say they don't like soe of the pressure. NO player should have this much power. Of course, for some reason, the Sox brass wants to get rid of his contract.. but why? There isn't anyone worth spending the money on anyway.

 

I agree with you thats its hard to give up core players....unless the offer is too sweet to pass up. I still think pitching wins in baseball just as defense wins in football. I also would have traded Terrell Owens...now he is suspended for most likely the season....deffinitly not a Bill Belichick guy.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

So would you guys rather have:

 

Troy Glaus and Darin Erstad or

Aubrey Huff and Mike Cameron

 

...sound like similar deals....the difference would obviously be prospects coming to Boston in the Angel trade (Ervin Santana or others). So I'm obviously taking the Angel trade in that regards BUT....who would you rather have on the Sox when it comes to those above players??

 

mmm, i think i'd pick glaus and erstad. glaus can fill in at 3rd/dh and has power. erstad can play gold glove caliber CF & 1B and while isnt a power hitter, he's a good team guy that can hit for average. then include santana, in the rotation...i think is worth giving up a malcontent with a fat contract who's heading into the latter part of his career.

 

I may be a little more biased though having gone to my share of angel games and seeing those players mentioned play in person. Not too familiar with Huff/Cameron.

[castigs850]

The White Sox proved you didnt have to have a lot of offense to win it all, its all about the pitching and defense. The Sox are setting in motion a bullpen and starting rotation that will be strong and durable.

this is true but in the proposals ive seen the only pitcher we would get is ervin santana if even him. and then darin erstad and troy glaus or mike cameron and huff i would rather the run production manny gives than the stoppage of runs an outdielder and first basemen would create.

[castigs850]

so what im gettin at is the starters and bullpen guys comin up r home grown so why trade away our most valuable commoditee for a down grade in offense? i think if we trade manny its for a lot of very good YOUNG pitchers and try our best to replace him and find some defense through free agents

[guapo34]

so what im gettin at is the starters and bullpen guys comin up r home grown so why trade away our most valuable commoditee for a down grade in offense? i think if we trade manny its for a lot of very good YOUNG pitchers and try our best to replace him and find some defense through free agents

 

 

I completely agree. However, any young stud players in return would I think would be good enough. Problem is finding someone to take that contract without taking overpaid player on the decline in return. Hopefully the sox can find two teams who really want him and he'll go to and get them in a bidding war. If this doesn't happen, I hope they can change his mind and convince him to come back. If they trade him and free up salary hopefully thats done as early as possible so we can get it on the free agent market and make a play for giles/BJ Ryan/AJ Burnett.

 

And everyone talking about Mike Cameron, theres serious questions about his health. I've heard reports he's still having blurred vision after that collision with Beltran.

[ORS]

And everyone talking about Mike Cameron, theres serious questions about his health. I've heard reports he's still having blurred vision after that collision with Beltran.

I've heard he is possibly suffering from vertigo (sorry, don't remember where so I have no link). Vertigo is no joke. David Duval went from the 2nd best golfer on the planet to a guy who can't make the cut 99% of the time once he started suffering from it. The only reason he's still playing golf professionally is he won the British Open and earned a 5 year exemption. Without the exemption he'd have been off the tour a couple of years ago.

[riverside sluggers]

If this doesn't happen, I hope they can change his mind and convince him to come back.

 

how can they convince him with him having one of the biggest fan bases in boston so he know he is loved here; sox have 4 out of his 5 seasons made it to the playoffs; and the obvious being that he has his annually "im not happy, i want a trade" bit

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Manny-to-Mets trade is alive

By Michael Silverman

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 - Updated: 05:28 AM EST

 

INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – The Mets not only have interest in trading for Manny Ramirez, they also believe that the Red Sox outfielder has interest in playing for them. Recent reports have suggested that Ramirez does not want to play in New York and prefers to play for Anaheim, Arizona or Cleveland. A baseball source, however, said yesterday that the Mets have received indication that reports of Ramirez not wanting to play too close to his hometown may have been a smokescreen aimed at diverting attention from the Mets’ pursuit. Ramirez does have veto rights over any deal, so his consent is key.

 

The Red Sox and Mets spoke at the trading deadline this past July about both a two- and three-team deal, the third team being the Devil Rays. Now, the Mets are believed to be ready to deal directly with the Sox. The centerpiece of the deal, coming from the Mets’ side, would be center fielder Mike Cameron and two of the following three prospects: outfielder Lastings Milledge and right-handers Aaron Heilman and Yusmeiro Petit. The Red Sox have not indicated whether they wish to trade Ramirez, but word leaked out last month that he had told owner John Henry that he wanted to be traded or else he would not report to spring training.

 

A trade for Cameron would certainly seem to rule out a return for Red Sox free agent center fielder Johnny Damon. Cameron will make $6 million next season, with the Mets holding a club option worth $7 million, or a $500,000 buyout, in 2007. Ramirez is owed close to $60 million over the next three seasons. If this particular trade with the Mets were to materialize, the Red Sox would still have to find a cleanup hitter to try to replace Ramirez’ prodigious production. Ramirez batted .292 last season with 45 home runs and 144 RBI in 152 games. He was second in the league in RBI behind teammate David Ortiz.

 

Cameron batted .273 with 12 homers and 39 RBI in only 76 games last year. He missed a good part of the season after a horrific outfield collision.

 

big yes to Lastings Milledge. Though, I do agree about that having Cameron is iffy with how is health and play will be after we saw that terrible collision on the field. Johnny Damon has been having migraines since his collisoion in 03 and cant play that much in domed stadiums during the daytime. Plus he said in an interview that reason why he became the "caveman", is because haircuts and shaving werent any help to the migraines he has had.

 

Petit is worthy looking at, a 20 year-old top pitching prospect from Venezeula. http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2004/fab50/062204.33.html

http://sun10259.dn.net/baseball/features/articles2004/fab50/062204.38.html

[jimmycarter05]

clevelend is the team to trade manny to..they have great young hitters and a great young pitching staff...we could get alot from clevelend

[ORS]

clevelend is the team to trade manny to..they have great young hitters and a great young pitching staff...we could get alot from clevelend

Wrong. They have already expressed their disinterest in Ramirez. They are a good, cheap, young squad. It would be stupid for them to give up some of that nucleus in exchange for one player that will be a financial burden on a smaller market team.

[MC Hammer]

Wrong. They have already expressed their disinterest in Ramirez. They are a good, cheap, young squad. It would be stupid for them to give up some of that nucleus in exchange for one player that will be a financial burden on a smaller market team.

Exactly what I've been saying. Everyone thinks the Guardians would be interested simply because Manny used to play there. The Guardians would have to give up 2 of their best players, and a pitcher from their rotation. I don't see why they would want to give up 2 very good 20 somethings, for Manny. Manny may put them over the hump, but giving up the 3 players they would have to would put them right back under that hump.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Mike Cameron, Lastings Milledge, Aaron Heilman or Yusmeiro Petit for Manny Ramirez....

 

thats horrible!

 

I'm not excited about either pitcher and thats what we need out of a Manny deal....good young pitching. Heilman doesn't excite me at all and from what I hear Petit is an excellent minor leaguer but might not have the stuff for the majors. Milledge is good but spare me the Mike Cameron crap...not interested would much rather have Johnny Damon. We are giving up a key player so they need to give up a key player otherwise whats the point??

[riverside sluggers]

i agree with you there whole-heartedly about cameron, real iffy about him. Manny is a $60 million player, so there does have to be a bigger player than Cameron in the deal. like David Wright perhaps.

 

Myself, im gunning for the rumored Angels deal that would send santana to boston.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

i agree with you there whole-heartedly about cameron, real iffy about him. Manny is a $60 million player, so there does have to be a bigger player than Cameron in the deal. like David Wright perhaps.

 

Myself, im gunning for the rumored Angels deal that would send santana to boston.

 

Myself and soxie mentioned David Wright a lot at the midseason point. Tough to get cause he is going to be the best player at 3B soon. There has to be a way the Red Sox can orchestrate some kind of deal involving him. Omar does a great job of trading away top prospects especially if its a player he loves (Manny). The Red Sox play there cards right and work with Omar they may be able to rip him off.

[Noah]

A Mets fan perspective:

 

The day the Mets trade David Wright is the day I move to Texas.

 

He's treated like a messiah here. He'll have statues erected for him on Broadway soon.

 

He's gonna get some votes for MVP in the NL. He was stellar this year.

 

He'll be a career Met.

 

In other words, fuggedaboutit.

[riverside sluggers]

so do you actually think a trade of Manny for Cameron benefits both teams? for your team to get a .300 slugger who hits 40+ HRs and 140+RBIs a season; and sox get cameron... who will probably be injury prone now, is a career .240 hitter and has spurts of RBI production.

 

Manny is worth $60 million and a future 1st ballot hall of famer, sorry but Mets have to compensate with a big player of their own

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

A Mets fan perspective:

 

The day the Mets trade David Wright is the day I move to Texas.

 

He's treated like a messiah here. He'll have statues erected for him on Broadway soon.

 

He's gonna get some votes for MVP in the NL. He was stellar this year.

 

He'll be a career Met.

 

In other words, fuggedaboutit.

 

Believe me I understand where you are coming from. Unless you are Omar Minaya its just a fans opinion.....should I go on about how amazing a baseball player Manny Ramirez is?? No question David Wright is an excellent young player and will be great for years. Lets not blind ourselves though....we are talking about Manny Ramirez....a guy who will hit 35-50 HRs for you and drive in 130 while batting over .300. You think David Wright is loved??? how about if Manny returns to his hometown and gets the Mets to the playoffs this next season while having a possible MVP year. Add him to the possible Cy Young candidate in Pedro Martinez and NY Mets fans are going crazy....not to mention a large majority of the Mets fan base is hispanic. All I'm saying is Omar has done it before....he might do it again.

 

....I love how riverside posts the same thing as me at the same time haha

[riverside sluggers]

....I love how riverside posts the same thing as me at the same time haha

 

haha yeah i was about to say so, but you beat me on that one

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Aparently Gordon Edes just found out not long ago that Manny has almost no shot of going to Anaheim. He learned at the GM meetings neither Manny nor Garret Anderson are interested in being the DH.

[ognuola]

so do you actually think a trade of Manny for Cameron benefits both teams? for your team to get a .300 slugger who hits 40+ HRs and 140+RBIs a season; and sox get cameron... who will probably be injury prone now, is a career .240 hitter and has spurts of RBI production.

 

Manny is worth $60 million and a future 1st ballot hall of famer, sorry but Mets have to compensate with a big player of their own

I think this trade is well worth it Cameron,heilman,milledge for manny plus you get the 13 million to get a player such as konerko or glaus that has some pop. the way things are going I see it being glaus with a trade of wells and prospect. This gives next years team a better bullpen a better defense albeit a worse offense but most importantly it gives you a great 2007

[riverside sluggers]

just what bugs me is that (1) Cameron only plays center, Damon only plays center which makes our JD the odd man out and on to another team, loss of one of the best leadoff hitters for a guy who holds a career .240 avg (2) What will Cameron be like from what happened this past summer? Did the collision make him into an injury prone player (3) Lastings Milledge would still have to start the season off in Triple A. Scouts have suggested he won't be fully ready until 2007. If such a trade happens, Brian Giles will be in the Sox's sights to fill in left field

 

Sox would have to give up more than Wells and a prospect for Troy Glaus. He is still owed 3 seasons at $37 million, a reason why he has been mentioned in a manny trade

[ognuola]

cameron switched to right field last year didn't he when beltran came in .. so damon in cf and cameron in rf then nixon in LF

Glaus at first in a trade with arizona--(( they needed to dump him for two reasons his position is already taken by the new wave of rookies tracy etc.. and he is going to cost them way too much money .. they'll save about 5 mil by taking wells and someone like shoppach would be a good fit as their backup catcher

Your right about milledge he won't start until 2007 but that lineup looks to be pretty good

damon

hanley

ortiz

glaus

tek

milledge

nixon--- get rid of nixon for someone younger in FA but that's next years talk

rent

pedroia