Manny wants out

[bigpapi349]

i dont want to trade him at all, but if the redsox are going to, hopefully they get something good in return

[Tek4pres]

well this is sox's last chance to trade him away, in the offseason he will be under no trade protection clause--which means Red Sox could only release him and pay him the remaining salary on his contract

He can waive that clause though (like Aguilera did when he came over to the Sox for a half a season from the Twins) which, since he's the one who requested a trade, it would seem he'd be inclined to do.

[See Red]

Helton also has nobody around him in the Rockies lineup. And he was, recently, atleast, starting to get hot. That may be why his numbers aren't so great this season.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

yay i'm an idiot:

 

Manny Ramirez, Kevin Millar, and Arroyo or Alvarez to Florida for Burnett, a utility player and Carlos Delgado.

[soxie thefangirl]

Well I love Manny too but he asked to be traded himself. And I'm so sick of his attitude. Especially with what happened with Trot / Clement, he couldn't miss his day off and go play? That's s***.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I agree. I love him, but sometimes his attitude is stupid. I just think he gets like this at some point in every season. He doesn't really know what he is ever doing, he just drifts along and hits everything. He's a cool guy but a little self cenetred at times. What he did yesterday is inexcusable though.

[elsrbueno]

Well I love Manny too but he asked to be traded himself. And I'm so sick of his attitude. Especially with what happened with Trot / Clement, he couldn't miss his day off and go play? That's s***.

 

Yup. Like I said before, Manny Ramirez is like a two year old. His offensive prowess is not enough (IMO) to offset all the negativity surrounding him.

[Tek4pres]

Helton also has nobody around him in the Rockies lineup. And he was, recently, atleast, starting to get hot. That may be why his numbers aren't so great this season.

 

His numbers in July are impressive .400/.494/.667. His power isn't the same as it used to be, and most of his homers come in Coors. Of course, he'd be able to utilize the Monster in Fenway. He's a patient hitter who sees a lot of pitches (4.15 per ab this year.) Plus he's won three gold gloves at first base who works hard at becoming better.

 

Now, there's no way I want to trade Manny, but we could do worse than Helton. Another thing I'd like to see is a list of who the potential free agent outfielders are this season. Since we'd probably have to settle for a second tier LF for the remainder of the year like Jose Cruz Jr, I think we'd want to take the money we save on Manny and reinvest it into left and of course into Damon's contract.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I've been hearing that they are talking a lot about this on WEEI. Part of me says that it will blow over....but if the Sox have a chance to get rid of him they may do it. They have been trying to for a while and Theo REALLY wants to free up that money. The Boy-Wonder is excellent at making deals and would have an easier time doing it with more money.

 

I hear what elsrbueno is saying about Wright but I really feel Omar wants to win now. Adding Ramirez bat gives them the best offense in that division to go along with potential Cy Young winner Pedro Martinez. It may even give them the best lineup in NY. I can see where Omar would actually make this deal. It would hurt the Red Sox offense at this point but that might be ok. This would allow more room for Theo to make last minute deals for pitchers.

 

You gotta think if this went down and say he was able to move Youk/Manny/and cash for Wright, Reyes and a prospect....all of a sudden players like Pedroia, Mueller, and maybe even Hanley...become more available....better chance to claim Romero and more money to sign Damon plus a long term contract with Burnett who they could step up a notch with more players to move....so many more pieces could fall into place if moving Ramirez.

 

.....I dont think we are rating Manny too high. His batting numbers are incredible every year. He just won the MVP of the playoffs....the Red Sox are dealing with more issues but when it comes down to other teams....they just want a bat in the lineup....there isn't another bat close to Manny Ramirez in this trade market. In fact....there isn't a single player with the credentials close to Manny Ramirez in this trade market....this may be the ultimate time to trade him

[jebargit]

If Manny ends up staying (which is highly likely given his steroid-esque contract) it will be interesting to see how fans respond to him.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

If Manny ends up staying (which is highly likely given his steroid-esque contract) it will be interesting to see how fans respond to him.

 

Very true but...when the trade deadline is over and we see what team is placed in front of us to make a run....we have the lead in the division at the moment and are looking to repeat....just gotta hope everyone comes together like last year and plays some great baseball...i doubt everyone would suddenly hate Manny or something because the guy hits HRs...the most exciting thing in baseball

[soxie thefangirl]

They wouldn't hate him. But the guys on the team that put their all into the game and for this team, I'm sure they don't appreciate Manny's lack of effort, whether it be in jogging to first base or deciding to take a day off even though the team needs him.

[jebargit]

Very true but...when the trade deadline is over and we see what team is placed in front of us to make a run....we have the lead in the division at the moment and are looking to repeat....just gotta hope everyone comes together like last year and plays some great baseball...i doubt everyone would suddenly hate Manny or something because the guy hits HRs...the most exciting thing in baseball

 

 

Agreed. Fans usually have short-term memory, especially when it comes to very talented athletes. People have a hard time forgiving (see Millar) when the player's mouth is doing the talking versue their stats.

[Tek4pres]

....but if the Sox have a chance to get rid of him they may do it. They have been trying to for a while and Theo REALLY wants to free up that money. The Boy-Wonder is excellent at making deals and would have an easier time doing it with more money.

 

I agree with the money concern. In some ways Manny leaving would be a huge favor. With the talent we've assembled in the front office, it'd be really something to see what we'll be able to do three years down the road when we don't have that albatross of the contract and when some of the money we've been pumping into our farm system starts paying off. The Yankees fans who hear me say this are going to say something, but it's not hard to imagine the Red Sox being in the same position where the Yankees were in 1996 with a bunch of cheap solid home grown stars filling the field and enough money to get the top veterans to fill in the remaining spots. If this happens AND we continue to fill our farm system, we can keep developing enough players to trade for all stars or replace our own starters once they become too expensive. I mean this could be just the tip of the iceberg. Getting rid of Manny would certainly jumpstart that process, though it would break my and many other Sox fans' hearts to see him go (and probably weaken our chances significantly of a repeat World Series victory this year).

 

It feels weird saying this cause I remember when Boston was the Fellowship of the Miserable, but we're in the top three as far as smartest and most efficient front offices for football and baseball. Now if only some of it would spill out of North Station onto the two teams that play in that arena formerly known as the Fleet Center.

[soxie thefangirl]

I don't know that we can't win without Manny at all. Especially if we traded for some decent guys.

[YankeeDoodle]

About the front-office comment...in baseball alone I would throw in the Athletics, the Braves, the Cardinals; in football the Patriots, in basketball the Spurs - all whom have either more limited resources or manage a cap - which I suppose Epstein is trying to run...Moneyball with money?

 

Oh New York teams are so screwed on this.

[Tek4pres]

About the front-office comment...in baseball alone I would throw in the Athletics, the Braves, the Cardinals; in football the Patriots, in basketball the Spurs - all whom have either more limited resources or manage a cap - which I suppose Epstein is trying to run...Moneyball with money?

 

Oh New York teams are so screwed on this.

 

I agree with all those picks. Very smart, shrewd front offices. If the Yankees ever did switch to the moneyball philosophies (it's more than just OBP. too), I think they'd be the most dangerous team in the game. Imagine, they could field a team with only 100 million and spend the other 120 million on their farm system getting the best scouts, number crunchers, player development guys etc. It's scary. I'm just grateful that they can't do it for awhile with the huge contracts that they have.

[YankeeDoodle]

Actually...I was referring to the Knicks. *shudders* If ppl get on Cashman's tarp, for which on some moves he has no say - Isiah better start producing!

 

Err...67 days is it until FREEDOM? AKA when KB's contract expires. Still have to eat up Giambi's though, but at least he's churing out the stuff. Still working on Bernie's 401 k plan. We're incredibly, incredibly generous here.

 

Also it should be mentioned that half of those front-offices not only manage the payroll, but they manage the clubhouse, and players want to stay in those places and come there. The Patriots, Spurs, and the Cardinals (Pujols would take a pay-cut just to stay in STL), they all create a pleasant environment and I really commend that.

 

The Red Sox has good clubhouse chemistry - Manny's a big part of that. Now, what's that saying, "Winning breads chemistry" - I guess this is part deux - "What happens to said clubhouse when they DON'T win?"

 

Edit: Because if they're going to have the caviar and eat it too...better start giving something in return:

 

MLB's most overpaid players

 

I understand the Boone-y doesn't have offense - but he still has some glove. And Sosa can still give SOMETHING occasionally with the long-ball (lots have been solo-shots).

 

But whatwhatwhat has KB given the Yankees? <_ that wang is a good fit for next year>

[Sizzlin22]

But whatwhatwhat has KB given the Yankees? <_ that wang is a good fit for next year>

And a bad clubhouse presence. Little known tid bit of info; Quantrill was traded to the Yankees shortly before Brown was. He didn't want to go but didn't have a no trade clause, when asked by a reporter if there was any positive of him going to New York he replied "I don't have to be around Kevin Brown."

[Soxfan1]

How bout manny for the rocket? The moneys pretty even and they aint going nowhere.

[YankeeDoodle]

How bout manny for the rocket? The moneys pretty even and they aint going nowhere.

Not happening. Clemens LOVES Houston; they love him right back.

 

Are you kidding me? The Astros look like they're ready for lift-off; all they needed was some bat power to propel that sick pitching line-up, with Clemens, Oswalt, *Pettitte, and Lidge as their closer. They could contend for a slot at the Wild Card...some have already set-up a NLCS re-match.

 

*Another one that got away...

 

Sizzlin: This team clearly is not known for its chemistry. And I don't expect anyone to be buddy-buddy-chummy-chummy or whatever now, but if they're going to be surly and a jerk, at least produce, BBB. It's your teammates and the Yankees fans that have to pick up/watch the turd you leave on the mound every time you pitch.

 

Scouting reports say that Brown is nasty when "that slider's working". It's not. It hasn't been. And I have reservations that it ever will.

[elsrbueno]

How bout manny for the rocket? The moneys pretty even and they aint going nowhere.

 

Houston is very much in the Wild Card race and Roger's staying there.

 

Here's a crazy idea: Manny for Oswalt

 

The Red Sox get the pitcher they so desperately need, while the Astros get the bat.

[YankeeDoodle]

You guys are not picking up another ace...no way!

 

I don't know the salary of Oswalt, but I think he's good in Houston, too.

[riverside sluggers]

haha, aww is a yankee fan getting scared

[YankeeDoodle]

*pouts* Yes, quite precious, ain't it? Between how much the Yanks pitching staff is in disarray right now, whatever moves the FO is contemplating (and if they're as stupid as the Griffey Jr. one was), and now, users trying to make new deals... Does Epstein read blogs and boards? Hope not. If the Yankees FO checked theirs, it'd be a lot of screaming and head-hurting going on.

 

There better not be a Yanks-Sox trade blockade. Hee, I kid. Ok if we take Canseco?

[riverside sluggers]

your boy Aaron Small is doing the job theyve aksed him to, 2 consecutive good starts, at least seeing the way minnesota offense is right now, hopefully Sox can take advantage of the pounding yankees did to them, well except for last night's 7-3 loss to Minnesota though they did leave 11 men on base thru first 5 innings, now that is worse than the sox's baserunning, haha

[YankeeDoodle]

My boy? Hmm, I'll take that.

 

Well, they were facing Santana, so even though at times he's worked himself into jams, but he's a proven big game pitcher.

 

IN FACT, Cashman was quoted as saying that if it was Game 7 and he could pick anyone to start, he'd go with Santana - nothing wrong with that, but...

 

Yo Cash, why did we get RJ, then? HUH? Anyone but KB stinking up the joint?

 

You guys complain about your thirdbase coach Dale Sveum; we gripe about Mel StottleFIRED. Potato, pitato, tomato, tomahto.

[riverside sluggers]

hey dale svelum is not as bad as the twin's 3rd base coach, haha

[Sox fan in Tex]

Alright, let's put wagers on it: Who says that Manny gets boo'd tomorrow at Fenway? Anyone? I'm going to go with YES.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Alright, let's put wagers on it: Who says that Manny gets boo'd tomorrow at Fenway? Anyone? I'm going to go with YES.

Probably, but I don't think he'd even notice.