Yankees dealiing Sheffield?

[elsrbueno]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050629&content_id=1108456&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

OK, not a Red Sox rumor, but this could be a pretty big deal:

 

Gary Sheffield to the Mets for Mike Cameron and Miguel Cairo.

 

Not a bad deal for the Yankees if you ask me. Cameron's pretty good in center and Cairo fixes their second base issues (He was good for them last season).

 

The other Yankee rumor: Paul Quantrill to Florida for Juan Encarnacion-- also not a bad deal.... considering Quantrill's been pretty bad this year. Encarnacion is an average offensive outfielder with a good glove-- would absolutely be an upgrade over Womack (who wouldn't).

 

Sounds like the Yankees could be in for a facelift-- and soon.

[riverside sluggers]

yeah they were talking about that in the nesn pre-game report, dennis eckersley saying he heard its mostly because ((no surprise)) sheffield is like a cancer in the locker room and doesnt get along with his players--so far sheffield has been quoted hed rather retire than be traded away from the yankees haha gary i dont think anybody cares

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I'd rather keep Sheffield. Mike Camereon and Miguel Cairo is pretty much the same as Sheffield and Cano. Cameron might be a bit of a downgrade

[DirtDog]

http://www.nypost.com/img/back062905.gif

 

LOLOLOLOLOLO

[Sox fan in Tex]

Good for the Yankees, finally considering getting rid of that cheater.

[stocker323]

Now Sheff says that he won't go anywhere, despite not having a no trade clause.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

yeah, because with the yanks thats the only place he can be an ******* and get away with it

[soxie thefangirl]

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050629&content_id=1108700&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

 

Boy is he angry!

[26 to 6]

Sheff is mad because he would not play with this contract for any team except the Yankees, where he isnt being payed as much as the other stars ona a yearly basis and has a lot of deffered money. (and remember he tried to re-negotiate his contarct in the spring)

 

This trade is obviously not going to go down, btu IF it did i would be heavily against it, because Sheff is the heart of our offense. Nobody else has been as consistant this year as G-man and Cameron isnt half the player Sheffield is. Besides, who would play right field? (Probably Encarnacion if that trade went through) Not Sierra, he cant play the outfield on a daily basis anymore, and is our key guy off the bench, and it definately wouldnt be Bernie, otherwise he would play center and we wouldnt be having any of these conversations ...looks like age has finally caught up to Bernie on the defensive front.

 

As for the Quantrill/Encarnacion trade...this would be great for the Yankees, for several reasons. 1) we have too many relievers, and when Felix Rodriguez comes back that will just add to the numbers..its bad enough the Yanks insist on calling up Scott Proctor and Jason Anderson for now. 2) he could take over the vacant outfield role by playing left, and Matsui moving back to CF, where he has played for 10 years in Japan (actually 8, he was a RF his first 2 years) and played a little bit the past 2 years with the bombers. Or if the Yanks get another outfielder (i.e. Kotsay, Griffey, Cameron, Preston Wilson, Randy Winn, etc..) he could take over on the bench for Tony Womack, who is no-doubt on his way out, as soon as we solve this outfield problem.

 

The Yanks wont be undergoing a rapid facelift anytime soon, not with Gene Michael back in charge. "He is the voice of rationality in this organization" -Peter Gammons, and i couldnt have said it better. He is responsible for building the core of the championship teams of the 90's and has the philosophy that involves patience and development, so dont look for too many big trades, except the outfield trade.

 

Guys, remember, its only the end of June and we're not that far out...you guys were struggling similar to this last year and turned it around, look for the same from us...this race is not over by a longshot

[soxie thefangirl]

Sheffield sucks. And he seems like a jerk. Suck it up and go with the trade.

[Sizzlin22]

He doesn't suck, and you know what more power to him, with the stuff he said no GM in his right mind would trade for him. Personally as much as I hate Sheffield I agree with him. He took less money to go to the Yankees because he always wanted to be a Yankee, and now they want to turn around and trade him? It's not like he hasn't performed, he's been great.

 

It would be like the Red Sox trading Trot Nixon, he took a home town discount and performed and he should in turn be honored with not being traded.

[riverside sluggers]

even tho i dont like a-rod that much, i still respect the fact the way that he can hit and drive in runs. its arod rather who is the heart of the offense of the team than sheffield is

[RedSoxRooter]

Well, looks like he screwed up the trade. Haha if the Yanks wanted to get the deal done.

 

On another note, Stanton and Quantril are being let go. http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/49373.htm

[elsrbueno]

Sheffield's a jerk, but I respect his ability to play baseball. Despite all that crap he's said in the past (and the controversy he seems to create everywhere he goes), he's still one of the most feared hitters in the game. I know I don't feel comfortable when he's facing the Sox.

 

It's hard to get a feel for who initiated this deal. Some articles say the Yankees were "dangling" Sheffield, others say the Yankees were approached by the deal and said "No thanks." Either way, after Sheff's comments, it looks like this deal isn't going down.

 

If I were the Yankees, I'd trade Sheffield for Cameron and Cairo. Cameron is a gold glove centerfielder (Something they need), and Cairo was very good playing every day for the Yankees last year. Cano has been good offensively, but inconsistent with the glove.

 

A trade like that would really improve the defense, which this team needs. Yes, they'd be out a right fielder, but Juan Encarnacion would be available and like I said before, WAY better than Womack. An outfield of Matsui, Cameron, Encarnacion is better in my opinion than Womack, Matsui, Sheffield.

 

One interesting report on the Yankees (I guess this'll become the official Yankee rumor thread) is that Quantrill and Stanton are no longer with the team. Are they released? Traded? The article doesn't say. Stay tuned:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050630&content_id=1109371&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

[riverside sluggers]

sheffield probably threw a temper tantrum in the clubhouse :rant:

[riverside sluggers]

well everybody was waiting for george to do somethin, this move didnt surprise me, relief pitchers for the yanks who had held down the bullpen in the first half. Look George to go after guardado, fuentes of the rockies, schmidt possibly if they move wang as a setup man

[Tek4pres]

The Yankees' situation right now is the best argument yet for the Red Sox across the board policy on not giving no-trade clauses. The Yankees are stuck here because the only regulars that don't have a no trade clause are Sheffield and Posada. Even if they agreed to take on all or most of the other players' remaining contracts, they'd still need them to waive their no-trade clause to make a deal.

 

The no-trade clause was reportedly a big issue around the A's not signing Giambi. As big or bigger than the money involved. The A's refused to budge on the issue and Giambi left for the issue. But the A's look pretty smart now.

 

Despite the current gridlock, I do expect the Yankees to make a strong run. If they make a run and we falter, they'll start replacing the 1918 chants with 1978 chants.

[riverside sluggers]

im just looking at one game at a time, i wont think about september/october games until those months arrive

[soxie thefangirl]

Same here.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

At this point I think the Yanks HAVE to move Sheff. If they don't they will have a pissed off outfielder on there hands for the rest of the season which ruins team chemistry more. I hope they do move him for Cameron becuase he can't hit. His batting average is always horrible so you go from a .300 hitter to a .230 hitter. LOL AWESOME.

 

Quantrill and Stanton are going to get dumped. I see almost no way the Marlins would move Encarnacion for someone as useless and washed up as Quantrill.

 

As far as Sheff to the Marlins for Burnett....thats just plain retarded by the Marlins if they did that. 39 year old outfielder won't last too long and if they want to make a push this year they would be better off with Burnett in the playoffs. Once Beckett gets healthy they would have Willis, Beckett, Burnett in the first three games. THEY HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT...right?

[Sizzlin22]

 

One interesting report on the Yankees (I guess this'll become the official Yankee rumor thread) is that Quantrill and Stanton are no longer with the team. Are they released? Traded? The article doesn't say. Stay tuned:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050630&content_id=1109371&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

The deal with that one is they both are either to be traded or released on thursday.

[elsrbueno]

At this point I think the Yanks HAVE to move Sheff. If they don't they will have a pissed off outfielder on there hands for the rest of the season which ruins team chemistry more. I hope they do move him for Cameron becuase he can't hit. His batting average is always horrible so you go from a .300 hitter to a .230 hitter. LOL AWESOME.

 

Quantrill and Stanton are going to get dumped. I see almost no way the Marlins would move Encarnacion for someone as useless and washed up as Quantrill.

 

As far as Sheff to the Marlins for Burnett....thats just plain retarded by the Marlins if they did that. 39 year old outfielder won't last too long and if they want to make a push this year they would be better off with Burnett in the playoffs. Once Beckett gets healthy they would have Willis, Beckett, Burnett in the first three games. THEY HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT...right?

 

The problem with this is-- do you think another team wants any part of this guy? He basically warned the baseball world that if he's traded from the Yankees, he "won't be happy." He even went so far as to say something like: "You don't want me in your clubhouse if I'm unhappy."

 

Any logical GM wants to stay the hell clear of this guy, especially after those comments. He's a very talented hitter, and he doesn't cripple the team defensively, but why would you want to insert a guy with that attitude into your clubhouse?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Oh I agree completely...if I was a GM I wouldn't go near it which means the Yanks might have pissed off the wrong guy....lol oops. I mean Omar isn't stupid because why would he take the Yanks old crap and put it into his team which clearly should look to get younger since that is where most of the talent is with Reyes, Beltran, and Wright.

 

I would still trade Cameron but not for an old man who has a steroid temper

[elsrbueno]

Oh I agree completely...if I was a GM I wouldn't go near it which means the Yanks might have pissed off the wrong guy....lol oops. I mean Omar isn't stupid because why would he take the Yanks old crap and put it into his team which clearly should look to get younger since that is where most of the talent is with Reyes, Beltran, and Wright.

 

I would still trade Cameron but not for an old man who has a steroid temper

 

I will say one thing about Minaya-- he's got balls. He brought Bartolo Colon and Cliff Floyd to Montreal to try to get them into the playoffs (and gave up some prospects in the process), and he's made some bold moves with the Mets (Pedro, Beltran). He's not afraid to take a chance to make his team respectable. Some might call that impatient (I might also call it that), and two guys he gave up for Colon (Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore) are playing well in Cleveland, so those deals didn't work out for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned around and tried to trade Cameron for another middle of the order type hitter in the near future. He may also be interested in a closer (because if he's interested in Sheffield, he obviously sees his Mets as a competitor NOW), so he'll be out there on the open market.

 

Both the NY teams should be interesting to watch over the next month

[Soxfan1]

Sheffield is a dumbass. Both ny teams suck and they both overpay people. IT not a suprise to me because to me that tantrum he had with the thowing of the helmet put him over the top on the yankees block. On a side note, the nypost is having a poll who should get fired. Here are the results:

 

 

SPORTS POLL

Whom should George Steinbrenner fire?

 

15.8 %

Joe Torre

 

15.7 %

Brian Cashman

 

8.6 %

Mel Stottlemyre

 

3.9 %

Don Mattingly

 

19.1 %

Billy Connors (Head Of Tampa Bureau)

 

36.9 %

Nobody

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I still think they should fire the pitching staff

 

...going into the season did i not say that Brown and Wright would end up on the DL most of the season and Randy Johnson would start to act his age...especially since he switched to the AL East...I also mentioned Pavano was the 4th most talented starter on the Marlins and would get a rude awakening when he plays AL teams more often....i was wrong about one thing.....

 

I said Randy Johnson would be on the DL at this point in the season at least once...

 

Nothing wrong with the coaching staff NY...I have great respect for Joe Torre and his huge nose

[elsrbueno]

Torre and company are doing a fine job. I think what Steinbrenner needs to do is sit back and let his baseball people make the decisions-- that what he hired them for!!

 

The Yankees built their dynasty when George Steinbrenner was keeping his nose out of the Yankees day-to-day operations. The organization developed, and kept guys like Rivera, Pettite, Jeter, Williams, and Posada. George steps in starts making decisions, BAM. They waste money on Giambi, Sheffield, A-Rod, and the system is totaly desimated.

 

George-- Fire yourself!!!!

[riverside sluggers]

i was wrong about one thing.....

 

I said Randy Johnson would be on the DL at this point in the season at least once...

 

as i remember correctly back in may he was out for couple of weeks, pulling his groin muscles, which was when chien mien wang was called up to take over the duties. he stayed as another starting pitcher went onto the DL. so another prediction you were right about

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

count it

[Sizzlin22]

If anyone should be fired it should be Stottylmyre. The worst ptiching coach ever.