Pedro Martinez - Big Mistake Letting Him Go

[Johnny_RedSox]

I said this when it happened and i will repeat this now

 

BIG MISTAKE NOT RE-SIGNING LOS PONCHADOS

 

Many people won't agree with me, but i state the facts, here it goes:

 

Pedro Martinez is the greatest pitcher in RedSox History

 

he is 7-1 this year, has 104 K's, ERA of 2.45, WHIP way under 1 (0.67) and what is so sick i cant even type it but i will

 

HE HAS GIVEN UP ONLY 46 HITS THIS YEAR IN 88 INNINGS PITCHED - THAT IS SICK

 

He is 189-77 lifetime record, and we did not sign him because he wanted an extra year in his contract and an extra few million - BIG DEAL!!

 

BIG MISTAKE, THIS GUY IS A WINNER, our best WE EVER HAD!!

 

HE IS THE REAL LOS PONCHADOS AND I WOULD GO TO WAR WITH HIM ANYDAY!!

 

PEDRO OOOH PEDRO WHERE ARE YOU?

[Zenny]

It's going to look very smart in a year or two when Pedro proves us right for not wanting to include that 4th year (he might make it look even better when he goes down in the 2nd or 3rd year). Is he pitching great? Yes. Was there a huge risk re-signing him? Absolutely.

[RedSoxRooter]

No Yankees

No Baltimore

No Texas

No DH

[RedSoxRooter]

That's not a bash on Pedro by the way. It's just a smart guy going to a better place for him. He was never a "team guy" anyway. I'd rather have team guys.

[Sox fan in Tex]

You've been listening to way too much WEEI, Johnny. At the time I can see why we weren't sure on signing him, there were plenty of questions about his health and it didn't appear to be worth it. You still can't judge the signing. What if he goes out next time and gets injured and can't pitch anymore... then is Pedro a good pickup? He still has a lot of the year left and 3 more years. It's too early too make any decisions, especially when we judge after a fantastic 2-hit preformance.

[Manny Goes Boom]

It may be early, but man he is Torchin the National League!!!

[ClementRulez30]

He is doing so good in the national league, that doesnt mean he would be as good with the red sox. Also we didn't let him go he went where he could get more money and a better deal. He ant a team guy like David Ortiz and Schilling.

[example1]

I don't think there was anyone who thought it would be "good" to let Pedro go. Its just how much were we willing to pay him to be a one-man show? I love pedro, easily my favorite player from the Sox, but I just want some of these guys to step up, be a good person and say "you know what, I want to stay in Boston, but I also want 4 years. How about 14 million for 3 years and (since I"ll be stinking rich at that point) the fourth year for 6 million (with loads of incentives). But instead he had to have his extra year, he had to be paid like one of the best pitchers in baseball, and, therefore, we had to let him go.

 

We likely wouldn't have been able to sign Varitek had we resigned Pedro... so at this point we could be seeing a Pedro who would be more like 5-3 with a 3.50 ERA (having played a lot against Baltimore and NYY) while watching Varitek hit well over .300 with a lot of home runs and a great OPS. 20/20 vision is always best when looking back on decisions, but its not like Pedro is without blame here. He made it just too difficult to resign him.

[ClementRulez30]

I don't think there was anyone who thought it would be "good" to let Pedro go. Its just how much were we willing to pay him to be a one-man show? I love pedro, easily my favorite player from the Sox, but I just want some of these guys to step up, be a good person and say "you know what, I want to stay in Boston, but I also want 4 years. How about 14 million for 3 years and (since I"ll be stinking rich at that point) the fourth year for 6 million (with loads of incentives). But instead he had to have his extra year, he had to be paid like one of the best pitchers in baseball, and, therefore, we had to let him go.

 

We likely wouldn't have been able to sign Varitek had we resigned Pedro... so at this point we could be seeing a Pedro who would be more like 5-3 with a 3.50 ERA (having played a lot against Baltimore and NYY) while watching Varitek hit well over .300 with a lot of home runs and a great OPS. 20/20 vision is always best when looking back on decisions, but its not like Pedro is without blame here. He made it just too difficult to resign him.

 

Nicely put, we didnt want to see him go!!! He was our ace for 7 years, but he is just to damn greedy.

[elsrbueno]

I miss Pedro, I really do. I miss his enthusiasm, I miss the great feeling you get when it's his turn to pitch, you just know you have a chance to win.

 

However, like most others, I don't think it was a mistake letting him go. If you read back posts, I predicted he'd be very good this year, just look at the facts pointed out by RedSoxRooter: No DH, No Yankees, No Baltimore, etc. Also, Shea stadium is friendlier to pitchers than Fenway is. ALL the signs pointed to Pedro being dominant in 2005.

 

However, with all of his health issues, the biggest risk was adding that 4th year, and the Red Sox wisely didn't offer it. Look at all the players that get long term deals, start out great, then drag on the team's payroll: Kevin Brown, Bernie Williams, Jason Giambi, Albert Belle, just to name a few. Just about everyone in baseball realized there was a huge risk in signing Pedro to a long term deal, and the Mets (desperate to steal some thunder from the Yankees) made that commitment. Half a season is way to early to determine that a 4 year agreement is a success / failure, but I believe that in time the Red Sox will not regret letting Pedro go to the Mets.

 

May I also point out that for the annual price of Pedro Martinez, the Sox were able to sign Clement, Wells, AND Miller?

[ahhchon]

first off: pistol petey is my favorite player of all time, hands down, no one comes close. i love his in your face attitude. if i can't beat you i'll kill you, it's great. it's not often we see guys like that on the mound anymore. when he's on, damn, he's amazing. the location, the speed, the mixing of fb, changeup, curve, it's friggan amazing. it was a sad sad day when he signed with the mets

 

with all that said, it was too risky to sign pedro. we would have had to match the mets 4 year offer with the same amount or more money, most likely more. yeah, he's pitching great right now, but how many years does this guy have left? how is he going to be in the 3rd year of his contract? let alone 4th? i think he'll be OK, but is OK worth 14+ million? ask the yankees about their 17 million dollar ace, you don't want that kind of contract on your team, it really cripples it.

 

i wish pedro nothing but the best and hopes he pitches like a god for the remainder of his contract with the mets. it could happen, he's not fisk but who knows with this crazy game.

 

john

[ahhchon]

He is doing so good in the national league, that doesnt mean he would be as good with the red sox. Also we didn't let him go he went where he could get more money and a better deal. He ant a team guy like David Ortiz and Schilling.

 

do you know david ortiz? how about curt schilling? last time i checked curt wanted a 1-2 million dollar addition to his contract if they won the series? is that being a team player when no one else has it? did you forget that pedro was the guy that convinced ortiz to sign with boston? telling him that it's much better to play with your fellow friends/dominicans?

 

pedro seems like a cocky arrogant person judging on how he dealt with contract negotiations, but that's how it is, he was the best pitcher to ever grace the planet for a period of time and felt that he had 4 good years left. don't forget that he would be a #2 guy behind schilling, he's not going to take that. other than last year pedro has been superior to schilling almost every year.

 

if any of you have been watchin the pedro games you would know that he would not be having trouble with NY, balt or whatever DH you throw at him. he's absolutely filthy this year.

 

john

[yeszir]

elsrbueno and ahhchon said it best. You'd be hard pressed not to love Pedro (unless you're an avid reader of bostondirtdogs). He was the greatest sox player of our time, and one of the greatest pitchers to ever play. I'm not going to regurgitate what's already been said, but the health risks, the 4th year, and the money are all valid reasons not to have re-signed him.

 

Not to mention the fact that we've seen what our pitchers are capable of. Wells, Clement, and Miller have all shown flashes of brilliance. Schilling hasn't started a game since April 23rd.

[Johnny_RedSox]

Sox fan in Tex - i dont even know what WEEI is

 

all i know is that we made a mistake letting go of LOS PONCHADOS!!

[ClementRulez30]

Alls im saying is that Pedro was good for his time. We didnt let him go. He went with the money which was with the mets. Red Sox tried to get him back but it didnt work out. Last year we had 2 aces, right now we dont have any untill Schilling comes back!

[ahhchon]

do you know what letting goes mean? we could have signed him but chose not to, therefore we let him go.... we even had priority to sign him before any teams and we didn't get it done either. pedro was more than good for his time. have you even looked at his numbers while on the sox? check the link in my sig.

 

john

[Sizzlin22]

I can't really add to anything that's already been said Pedro did what was best for Pedro and we did what was best for us of course it was terrible to see him go but what had to happen happen I loved Pedro and letting him go was better than resigning him. I hope the guy wins 3 more Cy Youngs.

[BrentD22]

I said this when it happened and i will repeat this now

 

BIG MISTAKE NOT RE-SIGNING LOS PONCHADOS

 

Many people won't agree with me, but i state the facts, here it goes:

 

Pedro Martinez is the greatest pitcher in RedSox History

 

he is 7-1 this year, has 104 K's, ERA of 2.45, WHIP way under 1 (0.67) and what is so sick i cant even type it but i will

 

HE HAS GIVEN UP ONLY 46 HITS THIS YEAR IN 88 INNINGS PITCHED - THAT IS SICK

 

He is 189-77 lifetime record, and we did not sign him because he wanted an extra year in his contract and an extra few million - BIG DEAL!!

 

BIG MISTAKE, THIS GUY IS A WINNER, our best WE EVER HAD!!

 

HE IS THE REAL LOS PONCHADOS AND I WOULD GO TO WAR WITH HIM ANYDAY!!

 

PEDRO OOOH PEDRO WHERE ARE YOU?

 

 

No way man, get real. When a big name player changes teams there is sometimes a big jump in his stats for a short time. Then you'll see Piddy fall apart 2nd half. We could have traded him 3 years ago for almost any young upcoming player/s we wanted. He's gonna throw his arm right off of his body!

[Sizzlin22]

No way man, get real. When a big name player changes teams there is sometimes a big jump in his stats for a short time. Then you'll see Piddy fall apart 2nd half. We could have traded him 3 years ago for almost any young upcoming player/s we wanted. He's gonna throw his arm right off of his body!

Show me one stat that proves he will fall apart in the second half. There is nothing to back that statement up the man will dominante in the NL.

[ahhchon]

Show me one stat that proves he will fall apart in the second half. There is nothing to back that statement up the man will dominante in the NL.

 

no doubt, the fact that he could be working too hard and have a worse 2nd half. but chances are he could do just as well if not better, considering it's only going to get warmer.

 

if we traded pedro 3 years ago we most likely wouldn't have won the world series in 04 and we most definately would not have gotten to the alcs in 2003. in all seriousness though, you would have traded pedro after his 2002 season? the season where he was 20-4, has an era of 2.26 and showed no signs of slowing down??? it's easy to say that now after a 2004 season that showcased a mortal pedro, but other than 2004 pistol pete was almost untouchable in his whole redsox career. 1.74-2.89 was his era range, mainly in the low 2's with the exception of the 3.9 2004. you would have been burned alive if you traded the best pitcher in baseball.

 

john

[vegassoxfan]

ill never forget what pedro gave us for the run he had in boston. the anticipation before the game. how many k's he was going to ring up. outdooling clemens the traitor. he was red sox baseball while he was there, but im glad he wont be in boston at the end of his career. i would hate to see pedro go 10-10 in 2008 for the sox. that would be tough to watch. so lets just say good luck to petey and heres to clement for the al cy young in 05!

[yankthis]

I'd rather see the Red Sox lose 100 games a season than be stuck with a bunch of mama's boy douchebags like Pedro, Roger, Wade, and Mo.

[ahhchon]

are you sure you're a red sox fan? what kind of fan wants to see their team lose 100 games than have a HOF, 2 future HOF and a monster in his prime 1b?

 

pedro was nothing but awsome as a sox

clemens (i was too young to understand how awsome he really was) was awsome for the sox

wade was the man, what an eye

mo was fun as hell, i don't know what he said to me but i remember laughing a lot when he signed my plastic helmet

 

but yeah, they are complete dicks, according to the media.

 

john

[ILuvmannyRamirez]

I said this when it happened and i will repeat this now

 

BIG MISTAKE NOT RE-SIGNING LOS PONCHADOS

 

Many people won't agree with me, but i state the facts, here it goes:

 

Pedro Martinez is the greatest pitcher in RedSox History

 

he is 7-1 this year, has 104 K's, ERA of 2.45, WHIP way under 1 (0.67) and what is so sick i cant even type it but i will

 

HE HAS GIVEN UP ONLY 46 HITS THIS YEAR IN 88 INNINGS PITCHED - THAT IS SICK

 

He is 189-77 lifetime record, and we did not sign him because he wanted an extra year in his contract and an extra few million - BIG DEAL!!

 

BIG MISTAKE, THIS GUY IS A WINNER, our best WE EVER HAD!!

 

HE IS THE REAL LOS PONCHADOS AND I WOULD GO TO WAR WITH HIM ANYDAY!!

 

PEDRO OOOH PEDRO WHERE ARE YOU?

 

 

How true! Let another one go to a New York team. When will we learn?

[schillingouttheks]

I could care less if he went to the Mets, I have nothing against them.

 

I do LOVE Pedro still, and I am much more of a person like ahhchon, where you thank Pedro for everything he's done for Boston and the fans then hate him for accepting a better deal (for him at least, even though the Mets grossly overpaid). People need to realize that baseball is a business, not a game where loyalty is involved. If a player wants to add loyalty into his decision, let him, fine. But when it boils down to the cold, hard facts, it's 100% business. That's that. The fans need to get over disappointments like this. For f***s sake, I just went out and bought a Pedro Mets jersey!

[Soxfan1]

How many old threads have you dug up? and how come shillingoutks is the first to reply?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

This pretty much beating a dead horse. Pedro's gone, thanks for the memories, wish him luck. Done.

[Sizzlin22]

Once again hint to newbies: Check the damn date before you post in a thread.

[schillingouttheks]

How many old threads have you dug up? and how come shillingoutks is the first to reply?

Because I'm much more aware then you.