Garciaparra And Johnson Linked In Talks (ny Times)

[CrespoBlows]

The Red Sox are a championship team! Not only do they have the best pitching, but we have great hitting too. Schilling and Pedro will carry the Sox in the postseason, plus Wakefield is a great option to pitch in the postseason. This team is bulit for the postseason, I do believe in a seven game series the Sox can beat the Yankees, because in the postseason it isn't about hitting, its all about pitching. Do you seriously believe that the Yankees can add Johnson for only Navarro and Cano? Two B prospects for the 2nd best lefty of all time (Koufax is better than Johnson)? No, Johnson will stay in Arizona, because the DBacks have to sell tickets for '05.

[elsrbueno]

Crespo,

I seriously believe that George gets what he wants. He wanted Contreras, he got him. He was angry that we got Schilling...so he goes out and gets Kevin Brown AND Javier Vazquez (who is their ACE by the way). Goes all the way down...Giambi, Mussina, Sheffield, Lofton, Matsui, A-Rod.

 

Also, if Randy Johnson wants to win a world series....and he has his pick of teams (which he does) why would he pick the Red Sox when the Yankees are 8 games ahead? My point was that Randy can force a trade (like Junior Griffey did) and say he will only accept a trade to a certain team. This puts the D-Backs in the tough position of dealing with an unhappy superstar or getting whatever they can from that team. I sincerely hope that I am wrong on this one. I will be willing to swallow my pride...

 

Again, this is just the FEELING I have...that Randy will go to NY...for the reasons stated above.

[CrespoBlows]

I agree with you 95%, I just don't believe the Yankees can get Johnson, the Diamonbacks aren't looking to dump salary or have a firestorm. THey seriously think they can win next year. Jerry Colango is a rich guy, so I doubt he's having trouble manintaing the D-Backs. The Yankees have money, but no value at all to give to the D-Backs. If Selig lets this trade go through he deserves to be beaten then forced to quit.

[CrespoBlows]

If he is to go anywhere it will likely be Anaheim.

[ACL BoSox]

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Jul 16 2004, 12:31 PM

Crespo,

I seriously believe that George gets what he wants. He wanted Contreras, he got him. He was angry that we got Schilling...so he goes out and gets Kevin Brown AND Javier Vazquez (who is their ACE by the way). Goes all the way down...Giambi, Mussina, Sheffield, Lofton, Matsui, A-Rod.

 

Also, if Randy Johnson wants to win a world series....and he has his pick of teams (which he does) why would he pick the Red Sox when the Yankees are 8 games ahead? My point was that Randy can force a trade (like Junior Griffey did) and say he will only accept a trade to a certain team. This puts the D-Backs in the tough position of dealing with an unhappy superstar or getting whatever they can from that team. I sincerely hope that I am wrong on this one. I will be willing to swallow my pride...

 

Again, this is just the FEELING I have...that Randy will go to NY...for the reasons stated above.

I have one problem with your statement. RJ stated he did not want to leave Zona unless it helped the team, meaning, the Cubbies are the key to everything.

[schillingouttheks]

Originally posted by ACL BoSox@Jul 17 2004, 04:01 PM

I have one problem with your statement. RJ stated he did not want to leave Zona unless it helped the team, meaning, the Cubbies are the key to everything.

u are correct. the cubbies need a SS-nomar, zona wants top prospects-cubbies, we want RJ-zona. YAY! except its just that i have a feeling the spankies are gunna end up with something anyway. after all, i do agree with ELS, i have a sinking feeling. i want to be wrong, BUT, theres nothing keeping the spankies from doing a three way like we are, unless steinbrenner is to fat in the head also to get confused by a three team trade. and the cubbies cant be the only team with top prospects either. hell would freeze over however before steinbrenner sent jeter to the cubs, so he will probably look somewhere else. i just dont want RJ to go anywhere, i wont be disappointed if we dont get him, if we do i would love it, but i would just hate to see him in pinstripes, which is unfortunately what i think is going to happen. if hes interested in the series, he will think of NY first, as when u think of world series its usually NYY (sadly) that comes into my head first.

[yagmaster]

I really think the only positive of this trade is blocking Yankees from getting RJ. It's a HUGE case of RENT-A-PLAYER, which I hate, Nomar's been turning it around, and I don't want Pokey playing every day. Also, Manny's hammy makes Nomar even more important.

[gosox613]

yea, i think nomar would be very difficult to replace and i think people forget that, also, johnson only has about another year or two out of him.

[elsrbueno]

The latest news on Johnson is that the D-Backs are going to try to convince Randy that they'll compete NEXT YEAR, and not move him.

 

Again, the Rangers said they were gunna keep A-Rod just days before sending him to the Yankees, so we'll see. That's the latest I heard.

[gosox613]

if i was RJ i would still ask for that trade even after wat the Dbacks said. he is getting very close to the end of his career and doesnt have time to wait for another championship, plus the D-backs are definetly not going to go from 300-something winning percentage to a championship contender in one offseason

[elsrbueno]

Gosox,

This isn't exactly the 2003 Detroit Tigres we're talking about here....Arizona has a decent team, and EVERYTHING has gone wrong for them this year. They traded Schilling basically so they could get Richie Sexson, a big bopper (which they needed) and he got hurt VERY early.

 

Also, the NL West isn't exactly the AL East. A team doesn't have to flat-out dominate to win the division.....and in a short series....With Randy Johnson, this team could be dangerous.

 

If I'm the Diamondbacks, I'm looking at 2005 no question about it, but I gear up my team to COMPETE in 2005 because I have the chance....hell, the Rockies have a chance in that division because NO team is overpowering.

 

Keep in mind, Randy WANTS to stay in Arizona if they can contend if at all possible. Who would want to be 3000 miles from their family?

[ACL BoSox]

In preliminary discussions with Arizona regarding a possible trade for Randy Johnson, the Yankees have learned that the Diamondbacks are serious about getting major-league-quality talent in return for their left-handed ace.

 

According to a baseball official familiar with the situation, the Diamondbacks asked the Yankees if it would be possible to include catcher Jorge Posada in a deal for Johnson. The Yankees told them they weren't inclined to do so. And while it would seem to make little sense, you never rule out anything with the Yankees.

 

 

Posada? I don't think so. The Yanks are trying to shop Contreras for Johnson, but who in their right mind would want a pitcher with an ERA over 5?

 

And the reason the Yanks can't do a three way deal is because they would have to give up an important player (ie Jeter, Arod) because teams are looking for offense.

[CrespoBlows]

They want to cut payroll, and add some good major league ready prospects. jeter or A rod are overpriced, and not to be included in any trade

[elsrbueno]

I read about Posada too, and it made me laugh.

 

Bottom line: The Yankees ARE NOT going to deal Posada for Johnson. George wasn't willing to let Enrique Wilson play third....why would he let Navarro or (gulp) John Flaherty catch?!?

 

Aint gunna happen. I'd be surprised if they even deal Contreras the way he's pitching of late.

[schillingouttheks]

well, this goes back to nomar and randy being connected with each other in trades, but um, is it just me? or do i remember that at the end of the season, theo was gunna look at a certain FA...named edgar renteria? this way it would be easy to give up nomar and have pokey at SS and bellhorn at 2B for the rest of the season. is it just me...or do i remember the sox doing better when nomar was out?

[elsrbueno]

Nomah,

It's just you. Nomar came back in June AFTER the Red Sox had already played .500 ball all May. Truth is (especially now with Reese out) the Sox can't afford to lose Nomar right now.

 

Renteria seems like he may be an option in the offseason (if Nomar leaves, which I still hope he doesn't) but for now, Nomar's our SS.

[schillingouttheks]

k thx for clearing it up.

[Sizzlin22]

I think we have to face the facts here Nomar is not resigning we all know that he has made it clear so we should trade him and get equal value we shouldn't just let another great player walk form nothing when we could get something for him.

[elsrbueno]

The problem with this deal is that (apparently) Johnson has told the Dbacks he will ONLY accept a deal to the Yankees.

 

What a prick. So much for helping the D-backs with any potential deal.....

 

So the Nomar 3-way aint gunna happen.

 

I still hold out a small bit of hope that Nomar will resign.....but I don't expect it to happen.

[RedSox24]

recently i would be glad to see nomar be traded for someone who is clutch. Nomar isnt clutch. he goes 2 for 4 but the 2 hits are with no one on, but when we are down and we need a clutch hit what does nomar do.....he pops out. Dont get me wrong i like the man but i think he has lost all heart and doesnt try as hard anymore.

[batstats]

It's almost as if Nomar is saying he would rather be watching the game from some bar then actually playing the way he has been acting as of late. You see him isolated on the bench, not cheering for his teamates and so on...I for one have had enough with people wanting to keep him here because of what he did years ago. What have you done for us lately Nomar? I'm still in shock with that slump you put yourself in for the better half of 2 months at the end of last season and through the playoffs

[Sizzlin22]

The man must be traded there is nothing more to it let the new guy play while Pokey recovers.

[elsrbueno]

I think you guys are being a little to hard on Nomar. He's recovering from a pretty major injury...cut him some slack...please?

 

I seriously doubt he's going anywhere...which means he's our shortstop. Let's hope if he's unhappy that he plays with the motivation of showing other teams what he's capable of and plays well through the stretch.

 

ALSO, Nomar had some of the better playoff nubers on the club before last season. Another thing to think about...Imagine Pokey Reese hitting against the best pitching around?

[CrespoBlows]

Why would we create a hole to fill another one (a hole that isn't really a glaring weakness) I wouldn't want Auto out Pokey and that thing called Mark Bellhorn starting for us. If we do trade Nomar it should be Youkillis starting at 3rd, Mueller at 2nd, and Pokey at SS.

[schillingouttheks]

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Jul 23 2004, 01:58 PM

Why would we create a hole to fill another one (a hole that isn't really a glaring weakness) I wouldn't want Auto out Pokey and that thing called Mark Bellhorn starting for us. If we do trade Nomar it should be Youkillis starting at 3rd, Mueller at 2nd, and Pokey at SS.

agreed, and remember we have guttierez (sp?) too. in case youk cant start...

 

and also with all this people hating nomar...cut him some slack...hes probably pissed that hes been the subject of trade TWICE this year, so if anything, nomar should be mad at us. although i dont tihnk this is the case, his injury is bad too, people need to relax, remember when he broke his wrist in the offseason? maybe a year or two ago i forget, but after awhile he came back and helped us A LOT. so if nomar DOES end up finishing the season with us, we would let him go (which i dont personally want) and hope for edgar renteria, although we do have solid people right now.

[ACL BoSox]

Update

 

Providence Journal - "According to multiple sources, the Red Sox have all but given up hope that they can put together a deal for Arizona lefty Randy Johnson. The club has been given indications that Johnson would not agree to a trade to Boston. As a result, it's a virtual certainty that Nomar Garciaparra won't be dealt... The Minnesota Twins have made first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz -- just off the DL with a thumb injury -- available, but the Twins are seeking young pitching and the two clubs don't match up. In the meantime, the Sox are investigating ways to bolster their bullpen depth, with Toronto's Terry Adams a possibility... Finally, the Sox are reluctant to move Derek Lowe for Kevin Millwood because of the disparity in salaries."

 

Well, the Sox are doing a lot of nothing right now. So hopefully something will be done before the deadline because this teams as it stands right now is a few fries short of a happy meal.

[elsrbueno]

RJ Talks heating up? Randy sets deadline of today according to this article:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor..._bob&id=1847766

 

Still looks like Angels and Yankees are suitors. The best case senario for us is that Randy stays in Arizona, but obviously I'd prefer Anaheim if he gets traded.

 

Stay tuned.

[GreenMonsterSeats]

RJ's agent is even pushing for him to be traded to the Evil Empire according to the Arizona Republic newspaper. Whatever, if he does go anywhere I hope his left arm falls off. RJ is a sell out. Get rid of the Diamondbacks franchise if he leaves. Combine them with the Expos in hopes of drawing 15,000 people to a game.