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  1. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    2021 Salary numbers from bb-ref: Richards $8.5, Perez $4.5, though "values may not include every bonus the player received during a season." I had seen/heard Richards' was closer to 10, with Perez at 6.
  2. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Respectfully, I was replying to your question: "Would last year's team have been better if they had Price instead of Richards and Perez?" Performances notwithstanding, I said no because of the literal cost alone. Again, if the Sox still had Price, they would've been on the hook to pay his entire '21 salary, which I believe was twice as much as they paid to Richards and Perez last year.
  3. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    If they still had Price instead of Perez and Richards, it would've cost twice as much; money that was subsequently used elsewhere.
  4. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    This is a good point, and also brings up this question about not just his trade value, but his opportunities as a free agent a year from now: after all the big spenders have their new shortstops in place for 2022, how many other teams -- eager to pay the seven figures it will presumably take to sign X -- will see Bogaerts as a longterm answer at shortstop? There may not be a lot of markets left for Bogie as a shortstop; as a hitter, yes, but career .290 batters and .812 OPS men aren't quite as valuable and Silver Sluggerish at other positions.
  5. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    All were either left off postseason rosters, or at least in such discussions (not considering possible positive or negative contributions off the field)... but financially, it looks like a wash, as Richards and Perez made almost what the Dodgers paid Price. Of course, if Sox had to pay twice that, again, the answer is nope. That second $16 mil could've meant no Kike, no Renfroe, no Hiros...
  6. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    It wasn't a straight trade, because LA also had to agree to take Price and pay half of what he was owed. Does anyone think the return for Mookie wouldn't have been better -- wherever he landed -- if Price wasn't attached to the deal? This is in part to answer your earlier query of whether any other team would've traded for Betts; my answer is not if Price was part of the agreement (at least one other was reportedly in negotiations -- the Padres -- though we don't know if Price was the deal-breaker).
  7. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    But people can still say, "Thanks, Dave" (maybe even for GMing Boston's last world champs).
  8. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Thanks for the stats. I was just wondering if anyone thought Toro and company made the difference or if there were regrets about falling just short of the postseason without Graveman, Chargois, etc. I had heard a few Mariners were outraged at the deals at the deadline. The before and after numbers for guys who came and went are interesting, as long as we acknowledge change of scenery contexts: new or modified roles living in new cities and time zones, with new teammates, coaches and home ballparks, playing against different opponents and divisions, etc., etc.
  9. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    The M's fell just two Ws short at least a playoff for the Wild Card game; just curious if anyone in Seattle -- fans, media, players -- blamed the deadline switch of relievers Graveman and Castillo. Graveman couldn't possibly have stayed near-perfect, which he didn't, and Castillo wasn't bad after blowing a few his first week. Haniger went crazy down the stretch when he was one of the most valuable bats in the AL... especially without the protection of a line-up like those in Houston, Boston, Toronto...so I thought. But in bb-ref's "Clutch" (WPA) category, Seager was #1, Crawford tied for #2, and Moore #6... with Haniger #12. Boston leaders were Arroyo and Verdugo, tied for #7.
  10. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Great line-up; is this from 2021 or career? If just '21, Wander Franco beats them all in his 70 games -- if you use his 3.5 bWAR. But his fWAR is only 2.5... Not sure what factors account for the discrepancies... because Bogaerts' fWAR of 5.2 > bWAR of 4.9. Franco, to me, is the best player in the AL right now -- or will be in 2022. Note: the preceding is based on only a basic SSS vs. the Red Sox, which is basically, they couldn't get him out.
  11. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Freeman isn't a step in the right direction, either. He doesn't improve the defense, which is the Sox' biggest weakness besides pitching -- though metrics have shown the latter was worse because of the defense. Wouldn't it be better to use the money it would take to sign Freeman (who at least one poster covets) and spread it around to upgrade actual areas that are priorities, like on the mound?
  12. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Bloom's not going to blow half a kajillion or whatever it will take to sign Freeman, when he could likely ink Schwarber for much less to keep first warm for a year before Casas takes over, and then Kyle slots into DH after JD leaves. In that scenario, Dalbec will be traded in the meantime (hopefully for a pitching prospect).
  13. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Yeah, why wouldn't Red Sox fans who watched a below-average defensive team want to degrade the D even more with a bad first baseman? As long as he can bash, we'll just keep hoping our hitters will out-hit even more crappy fielding next year.
  14. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    It makes sense to look at total WAR, because the metric is intended to value players holistically. But breaking it down by components is also revealing. For example, I was shocked to see that Freddie Freeman has been a negative DWAR the past 11 years in a row; by definition, every season of Freeman's career playing first base has been worse than what could be expected of an average replacement-level player. Hard pass.
  15. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Isn't this exactly what happened when Boston traded Mookie... and LA traded for Mookie? The point is, it can happen -- again. I'm not torn about absorbing veteran deadweight if it means adding a potential number one starting pitcher. Castillo has been slightly inconsistent (Pedro was a bad comp on my part, because he was already the best pitcher in the NL when the Sox got him), but I'd still give up a lot for him -- even a promising pitcher... ... just not a guy who has shown flashes of greatness himself, with "limited" stuff that still has big leaguers describing him as "a right-handed Chris Sale." Trading the Red Sox' best young MLB pitcher defeats the purpose of adding more good pitching to a staff in dire need of depth.
  16. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    I can't do that right now, because I can't ever remember a young Sox pitcher like Houck throwing a perfect game for five innings (and then getting yanked). Castillo's number one comp at age 28 is Marty Pattin. Marty was the ace that never was, a centerpiece, along with Tommy Harper, in a 10-player blockbuster of my youth. The Red Sox gave up half a dozen guys, including George Boomer Scott and Slim Jim Lonborg, plus Conigliaro and Brett (brothers of superstars). Pattin was Boston's winningest pitcher in strike-shortened '72 with 17 Ws... but Luis Tiant turned into the ace and led the AL in ERA. It was kind of like Rick Porcello leading the '18 Sox in victories... or ERod leading the '21 Wild Card Sox. Once before a game at Fenway, I nabbed a ball that Pattin, then a KC Royal, missed playing pepper. Now I feel bad.
  17. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    BTV "talked to Barzini" and the Sox can make a deal for Luis Castillo and still keep Casas/Mayer/Yorke... ...but lose all their Ds: -uran, -albec and -owns. They'd also give up Jay Groome-D the past Decade... plus Dilberto Dimenez. But toolsy Nick Senzel would be thrown in to become Boston's next Franchy (it might seem like an overpay, but not if the Reds are tired of waiting on a former MLB top-10 prospect). If you think Boston would be giving up too much of the farm for a potential #1 starter, then so does Chaim Bloom... maybe. If just two of those five prospects become MLB All-Stars, the Reds win the trade, right? Remember, Pedro Martinez had just won the NL CY Young Award when the Sox acquired him from Montreal. For the rest of his career, Pedro won 154 games, while the two guys he was swapped for -- Pavano and Armas -- won 161 combined. Then there's WAR: Pavano + Armas career = 23.3; Martinez post-trade 58.4.
  18. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Great metaphor and pun for this thread.
  19. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    The American League surely thought it hilarious from August 27 through September 8, 2021, when the Alex Cora-led Red Sox won 7 and lost 6 with half the team quarantined because of Covid.
  20. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    I am, but only because they're so good at defense... though my original name is all about outfield, and the five '75 Red Sox who won Gold Gloves as outfielders sometime in their careers (all in the 70s). Now that Benintendi won Gold, there are five GG winners that played on the '18 world champs: Beni, JBJ, Mookie, Kinsler and Moreland (it's actually six, if we count Pedroia's failed three-game comeback). But I can't change the year on my name, because the '75 AL champs total nine Gold Glovers: Yaz, Lynn, Evans, Miller, Beniquez, Fisk, Burleson, Cooper and Doug Griffin. Of course, by any metrics, the best fielding team in 1975 -- and the Seventies -- and probably ever -- wasn't even Boston, but the Baltimore Orioles.
  21. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    I know voting for regular season awards takes place before the postseason, but it's ironic that Renfroe's most impactful play was a misplay that quite possibly saved the Red Sox' October.
  22. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    I like the both bullpen guys, but don't think Bloom will sign more than one established reliever this winter. He's not going to spend $80 million on free agent closers, when he can pick up a Joe Kelly for less (2/12? 3/15?), or deal for minimum wage arms he's undoubtedly targeting. And then if the front office deems the Sox contenders by mid-season, there are always decent recruits available at the deadline... like Graveman was, last summer.
  23. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    I do too, and I don't either... Is Verdugo really a better all-around leftfielder than even Benintendi (who just won the Gold Glove)? 2021 WAR: Verdugo 2.3, Beni 2.4. Career OPS so far: Verdugo .792, Beni .784. Maybe if Dugo played LF exclusively, he'd rate higher, because no one liked him in CF. I don't have stats to back this, either, but from what I remember, 2020 Verdugo also looked better to me in RF than 2021 Renfroe (a GG finalist). Benintendi is one of only five Red Sox outfielders in the past half century with a 20-20 HR-SB season; others include Yaz, Burks, Ellsbury and Betts. All five were also GG winners in their careers. I know some posters dislike Beni for some reason, but if Bloom was willing to swap him for four prospects and a Franchy, can we doubt he'd pull the trigger on a similar Verdugo deal?
  24. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    It's a good question -- and maybe strategy option -- because the arm for Verdugo would have to be attached to a better pitcher than someone we'd get for Renfroe -- right? Also have to wonder what kind of pitching prospect Bloom could buy for one year of JD plus his subsidized contract?
  25. 5GoldGlovesOF,75
    Bloom and the Sox seem to value Schwarber's lefty bat and positive influence around the batting cages more than a few posters do. But if he is still a Red Sox in '22, then maybe another regular from the '21 lineup will be traded (and replaced by a pre-arb type player).
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