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How much would you offer Devers?
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to Bellhorn04's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
All legit concerns. Should we really be asking if he's worth $60M AAV for five years, since teams know they're effectively paying for only the first half of a decade-long contract? Do you think front offices assume this and have some formula to factor in projected WAR, team wins, gate/TV profits, etc. to calculate some ceiling of investment? If not, let's make one up so Henry will hire us like he did Bill James and Chaim Bloom, who both got started typing blab on similar platforms. -
How much would you offer Devers?
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to Bellhorn04's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I won't discuss John Henry's money, only what I'm willing to pay: maybe once a year I'll splurge for a $12 can of beer and 50 bucks for parking to see Raffy in person. But my cable bill will probably equate to about $300mil in the next decade, so what the hell. -
A Realistic View at 2023: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Brewers were corking the bottle before $11 million leaked out to Hunter. But he's a decent pick-up for a team like the Angels: intent on fielding big leaguers at every position, and busy filling areas of weakness with targeted players while they're available. Angel fans around holiday tables will have legitimate discourse on 2023 upgrades... instead of Red Sox fans, who will be all-in on their just desserts and make every effort to nap by the fireplace so they can stay awake for the first half of the Patriots game. -
How much would you offer Devers?
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to Bellhorn04's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
But is Devers better than Trevor Story, who Boston has already committed to paying $25 million to when he's 34 years old? If so, Raffy -- who is only 26 -- is at least worth more than the $225M "ballpark" offer the Sox are currently floating (according to industry reports on the world wide web). -
You mean we're just one James away from acquiring actual starting position players like Mancini and Vazquez... and legitimate bullpen depth every year?
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Don't discount (no pun) how spending can be affected by taking on someone else's bad contract to sweeten a trade return. Also, might it be prudent to keep some budget in reserve for midseason in case they have a shot at a wild card and actually want to upgrade and add salary?
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I'm not opposed to signing Carlos, but to me that would be more of a stunner than the announcement of a longterm Devers extension (and I agree with Jax that most posters' numbers for what Raffy gets are too low)...
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I gotta agree with the aging red one. Hope I'm wrong, but got a feeling if Bogey makes his X on another team's contract, someone in Boston's front office might not see it as a loss, but a gain... ... to be redistributed, of course.
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A Realistic View at 2023: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Eovaldi's not a #1 like some of the other oft-injured free agent starters who someone will pay twice as much money. I just think he's more dependable than Taillon, who just lost the first postseason game he ever pitched in (3 batters: double, single, double), and then didn't go 5 in his first start. Someone sitting at home will now start typing about sample size, but I'll still take Nate's 0.97 WHIP in 43 career postseason innings... or just his 9 hits and zero walks in 12.1 IP vs NY. I still want Bloom to sign Senga, re-up Wacha, and make a trade for an under-30 starter. Any team intent on rising from the ashes -- and counting on phantoms like Sale and Paxton -- needs at least six other tangible arms, plus at least three almost-ready prospects, to contribute. -
A Realistic View at 2023: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Give me Eovaldi. He's the only free agent starter that won't break the bank who has shown 1) he is a proven postseason winner, and 2) he not only succeeds in Boston, he likes pitching for Boston. -
Red Sox fans can't wait to wait until they have to wait again to see if he can take the mound in the second half of next season. He'll be another secret weapon -- better than any deadline acquisition that costs prospects... if only he can be as good as he used to be before he wrecked his arm. Wait -- isn't there a new pitch clock rule on how long a front office can pitch to its customers to wait until the roster is actually complete?
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These scenarios are logical, though #1 makes the most sense for the longterm budget -- and I hope it would lead to a Devers' extension... but I just have a bad Mookie feeling about the whole Raffy situation right now. Getting Bloom to part with a good prospect, instead of good money, may be more likely at this stage of the rebuild. And for those who like how his former employer operates, even they dealt a first-rounder recently for a young toolsy player they targeted named Arozarena.
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I've never used that label, though a lot of fans and professional writers have. But you're right there is no comparison to a perennial playoff team with Boston clubs that have finished dead last in 66% of the Bloom years so far. No one is trying to spread fear, when there is already plenty to dread. My personal fears as a fan are a bad flashback to the early 1980s, the last time the Red Sox chose not to pay market value for homegrown stars in their primes -- All-Stars like Fisk, Lynn and Burleson. But let's not pretend there was ever a large population of Sox fans -- even budget-crunching posters -- who ever wanted to trade Mookie or Raffy, or let Bogey walk. We're kidding ourselves if we think the rotation will be ok if Kluber is signed and "if Sale and Paxton are healthy." Even if they're all fully recovered and rehabbed, they're all older and more susceptible to new ailments (2017 AL Cy Young voting: 1. Kluber, 2. Sale, will be six years ago by Opening Day). The Sox still need to resign Eovaldi, recruit Senga and trade for Lopez.
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Apologies to the board for my dismissing the '22 Red Sox' three highest-scoring games while insinuating their offense was overrated. Maybe I relied too heavily on the fallible eye-test in my assessments. We know the Sox led the league in extra-inning losses, but perhaps it only seemed like they squandered more potential rallies than other teams all year. From now on, I will use a larger sample size of 162 games, like Fangraphs did in its Runners Left in Scoring Position per Game. Boston ranked 30th out of 30 teams.
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None of us know exactly what Henry's personal budget is, just the official number that will hit the tax line. You don't honestly think every MLB owner spends precisely up to the league's imposed penalty threshold every year. And please, no more past references to a franchise that someone once worked for at the bottom of the country. This is Boston, Mass...
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None of us know exactly what Henry's personal budget is, just the official number that will hit the tax line. You don't honestly think every MLB owner spends precisely up to the league's imposed penalty threshold every year.
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I'm with you, but will believe it when I see it.
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Something's gotta give, because the Red Sox offense could possibly need an entirely new heart of the order and have to replace three '22 All-Star batters. Posters could argue Boston was fourth in the AL in runs scored (behind three playoff teams), but if you dismiss just three games when they scored 49 -- two 16s vs. the White Sox in May, and a 17-spot vs. Baltimore in September -- the Sox were very league-average in tallies. How's that for cherry-picking? Could stolen bases help compensate for a depleted attack? Well... historically, the Cora boys -- Joey and Alex -- combined to swipe 164 bags. Meanwhile, the only guys we know right now who'll be in the '23 lineup are Story with 113 career steals and leadoff man? Kike... with 13.
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Maybe some people are just too obsessed with Tampa. Face it, the Rays just have better prices, much more affordable for fans paying to attend games, and for the front office paying guys to play games. They even have better weather sometimes, and when there are hurricanes or high fly balls crushed by Devers, they have a dome to protect everyone. And please stop with the Chaim Bloom comps -- the only thing Tampa has in common with Boston is Christian Arroyo, who the Rays once stole from the Giants as part of a 4-for-1 trade for a third baseman under contract for market value. But the AL East really likes Arroyo.
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Well, we may never again see the likes of Shaw or Moustakas platooning at second... guys that twist with their elegance and grace to turn two may no longer be in such demand in the bigs.
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Kluber -- at his age and salary-level -- is exactly the type of pitcher that would appeal to Chaim Bloom. Remember, unless you're truly aiming for first place, modern mound plans are to assemble a clique de sore arms and hope your savvy veterans can give you five frames maybe half the time, and then patch in with bullpen match-ups in a slog towards a wild card. As for Correa, it's great he has no QO, but does anyone have any evidence from Bloom's entire tenure in Boston that he's on the verge of paying $35 million dollars a year for any ballplayer in the world? That would be bigger news than even the Padres trading their farm for Juan Soto. MLB offseason articles the past two years always listed the Red Sox as one of many teams "interested" in lots of big name free agents or available star players. Not this year; so far, the only good player Boston has been linked to is Bogaerts, and that just may be obligatory regency.
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What are the chances Pressly would have developed into the force he is now if left to ferment in the Red Sox system the past decade? Impossible to know for sure, except what we know about Boston's recent history of championship-caliber pitchers: grim and unfun.
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I approve of this plan in a reasonable wild card drive towards third place. As long as the pitching acquisitions are reasonable...
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Cora has cred with the Nation since he is an actual baseball lifer, unlike Sam the company deflector. I'm with you on defense. It's not only going to matter more, it's also the easiest way for a bad team to change position players and become respectable. Don't give the other team extra outs, don't tax your pitching to make extra pitches... do keep your club in the game (despite your offense), do entertain your paying customers by making big league plays. My latest Bogey hope (that he resigns) is Cincy just acquired glove-first shortstop Kevin Newman, who a team looking for a place-holder might covet. Then again, his career K-rate is a very un-Red Sox-like 11.7%...
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Hah -- the only fever I have about these two is to counter your Gallo-fervor of the past month. Do you really think I want to watch Cody Bellinger upper-cutting from his ankles to his helmet in a Red Sox uni for the next Trevor Story half-decade? Or are you just in your weekly find-a-post to argue mode? I want absolutely nothing to do with any big whiffers -- including Judge -- and am all about contact hitters who put the ball in play... even if it's a bunt between the plate and the mound with a ghost runner on second or better, third. I can't stand all-or-nothing baseball, and have been vocal (or at least bifocal) about it since Boston featured eight guys with 100 or more Ks in the Cashner crash of '19. And I'll argue all day that walks aren't as good as hits, and because of that, OPS is an overrated stat. When I see a guy like Devers hitting a liner off a pitch that bounces, that's the guy I want swinging as much as possible. ps. and you may have misread my post about signing someone cheap so they can resign Devers
