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So you’re angry at them for not making a move, top of the first inning for trade deadline deals, but you’re angry they haven’t made one yet to a team that you now say may not be good enough to add any talent? your post is confusing.

Ok, but as I said, almost no one has made a move yet. This happens every single year at the deadline. A move or two isn't analogous with everyone making moves and switching teams. It's like popping popcorn and you heard two kernels pop.

Who has made a big move yet? almost no one has moved so far.

I'm sure they have all kinds of athletic trainers, nutritionists, and exercise scientists doing all sorts of things. The problem is there's a difference in results vs. how you train. How you train has a very real physiological response in your body that may not match up with what's best for you physically in the long run. Baseball is maybe the best example of this, or at least the baseball pitcher. The pitching motion is an unnatural one, with some pitches being even worse than others E.G. the splitter. The training is functional to performance, and that comes at the cost of increased risk of injury You can teach all the proper strength training, nutrition, and stretching in the world and guys are still going to blow their elbows out. In todays game, they're getting to kids younger, they're getting them into pitch labs, and they're getting more velocity and more spin from today's pitchers than every before. The downside of this has been the uptick in injury. Proper stretching and strength training to reduce the likelihood of injury isn't moving in lockstep with the increased pressure that throwing a splitter faster does to the human elbow. I think it's very easy for someone, who doesn't feel like jumping in to take a look at everything under the hood to just say something along the lines of "players just aren't built like they used to be" I don't believe that. The average athlete today is much stronger, bigger, and faster than they were just a few decades ago. To reiterate my earlier point - Sports specific training is functional to that sport, and at times that can be at the cost of increased risk of injury over the long term.

I think a better question would be, are today’s players more injury prone? ain’t no one playing thru a completely torn ACL. 1925 or 2025.

And I say that as someone who uses BTV all the time. I think its' a great great tool, but it should be taken with a grain of salt everytime.

ADD - While I wholeheartedly agree with this statement I think we also must acknowledge that every individual team values players differently. I bet if we were to measure the value of the trades that take place on BTV compared to the deadline we'd find some are a lot closer to others, and some are going to be WAY off. One thing that we just don't know as fans is how much teams value guys and certainly how much they value the prospects of another team.

But....how many owners say "yeah I hate our team, these guys suck f*** em" What owner has ever acted like that?

The Dude had a 6.75 ERA here giving up 26 hits in 18.2 innings. They easily could have found someone else to give those innings too. I agree it was the logical move at the time, I picked this trade for my answer because I was disappointed. I was disappointed because I expected so much more out of him

While certainly not the worse deadline trade but one of the most disappointing ones in my mind is the Eric Gagne trade. I thought the Sox were going to have just an absolute LIGHTS OUT bullpen between him and Paps and he literally laid a complete egg the moment he arrived in Boston. the trade didn't hurt them that much. The best piece the ended up giving up in that deal was David Murphy, who had a few good seasons but was never great or had a prolonged career. He was a career BWar 9.9

BTV ACCepts this trade. Boston Sends Jarren Duran, Jonhanfran Garcia & Walker Buehler to SD for Dylan Cease, Ethan Salas, Kash Mayfield, and Wandy Peralta. Odds of this trade happening? .0011% give or take.

Yes, You could be the best player in existence. You could be Babe Ruth, if Babe Ruth was on PED"s and had a baby with Babe Ruth on PED's and then put that baby on PED's and still be on a sucky team if the teams sucks. There's a reason why all those guys were shipped out of town on a s***** team.

In my opinion, regardless of what the article says Cease is going to cost XYZ, if there's a better pitcher trade for out there he's going to cost that much more than XYZ. I'm not for a Cease trade, but I'm not against it either. If the cost is fair compared to other pitchers on the market and the Sox have faith in their ability to get him right I'd almost certainly be ok with targeting him.

It's not a forgone conclusion that it is or isn't. The future has not been written, the ink is not dry.

I don't fully disagree, but if the Sox see something in him they think they can tweak he could be the steal of the deadline.

You know Dylan Cease can be much better than that, and even if he's as good as he is now the Sox could still use a starter to lengthen the rotation. Is he going to be an overpay? probably, but any more than the rest of the pitchers going at the deadline? if anything he might come a little cheaper than he otherwise would have given his performance this year. Which is at least partially due to absolutely terrible defense behind him. At the very least, he's going to be an upgrade over Buehler/FItts, and if he turns back into the pitcher he was for several years prior (he's just 29) he'll be a 1-2 punch with Crochet at the top of the rotation. I'm not saying I'm personally 100% for it, but I'm certainly not against it.

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And I don't have hate for Devers, I will always love Devers. It's possible to hold criticism for someone and still hold them in a high regard. I love Devers....but he acted like a baby about moving to 1B and it got him a ticket out of town.

Told ya'll he'd play 1B in SF. It was never about not wanting to play 1B it was about his spat with the front office, and while they may have mishandled it in the offseason....asking him to move to 1B after Casas went down was a perfectly reasonable ask. His reluctance to do so, regardless of his relationship and feelings towards the F.O. were a direct slap in the face to his teammates.

You're almost certainly trading them then if you demand a home team discount.

Maybe in my dreams.

Well yeah, if some of the guys were good last year then I can see why a crop of guys who you have never heard of could seem "not as good". In the end we only have what he said and what rounds are day 2 2024, and 2025. Regardless, players taken in the rounds 4-10 happened on day two both in 2024 and 2025. Maybe Larry could clarify for us.

Yeah, but wasn't day two last year rounds 3-10? Did part of his comment get deleted, or are you combining comments?

What rounds happened on day two last year? I thought it was rounds 3-10, was it not?

a day two guy I'm intrigued by is Jacob Mayers, odds are against him of ever becoming a guy but it sounds like he has elite stuff but just zero control. If the Sox can get him to learn how to command his pitches, he might end up being the steal of the draft on day 2.