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I don't disagree, but I also don't like painting oneself into a corner of "you have to do something right now in this one area" as it kind of creates the opportunity to make a rash decision or a bad investment. The Sox might be judged by how the use the extra payroll space from trading Devers, but they do not have to necessarily do that at this years deadline. That's not to say they shouldn't be active, but that doesn't mean they have to add $29 million in payroll either.

The F.O. might share some of the blame pie for how they handled things with Devers, but in the end he was hurting his team mates the most by taking the "I'm not going to do what you tell me" mentality. It's really sad, and emotions fly high, and people love to look for someone to blame and a singular person to be mad at which is why we will forever see a debate between Raffy vs. the F.O. but these things just happen sometimes and there's no silver bullet. I don't blame Breslow for expecting him to be a team player and moving to 1B, I don't blame Devers for feeling jerked around, and I don't blame the Sox from moving on, nor do I blame Raffy for willing to play other positions in a new town.

What if? what if the Red Sox had traded Tristan Casas and asked Rafael Devers to play 1st base this offseason and not DH?

again, I don't think Breslow is a liar. He's not the one who made that promise to Dever. If someone hired me to run an organization, and I go in with a plan I try to execute it. If that goes against someone else plan before me I certainly try to handle it in a decent way but if there's no middle ground. I let that person go. It's very telling that the F.O. is seemingly in Breslows corner in this. As I've said before, I'm sure it could have been handled differently but at the end of the day sometimes parting ways is just the right thing to do. It's like when a relationship ends. Sometimes people outgrow each other, it's not like there always has to be one definitive bad guy and that's where I think a lot of people are getting hung up here. Someone has to be the bad guy, we all love someone to blame.

ADD. I think it would happen in the offseason, I can see Raffy sliding in at DH to finish off the year and the team asks him to slide to first in the offseason. Perhaps they expect on a new team, with a fresh start, and an honest dialogue up front that he doesn't have his feelings hurt about making the move.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they think Raffy will move to 1b.

Exactly, so you’d think the team sees him as a DH in San Francisco

Have we ever heard of players being afraid to speak up around here? I mean….maybe someone wants to get traded. all I’m saying is, when has a move like this been made in Boston and we DIDN’T hear about it from a player or two?

The key guy you’re forgetting is Bryce Eldridge. Top 25 prospect in all of baseball. 20 years old already in AAA. kid can do everything but field. Sure, maybe the plug him in at 1b and see what he can do. But apparently it hasn’t been pretty so far but Raffys situation on SF isn’t all too different than it was in Boston ADD: to be fair I forgot about Eldridge too

Maybe I've missed something that was said, but unlike other recent guys who were traded away, there isn't any blowback from Devers team mates. That should be VERY telling.

I think Devers starts out at DH in SF, but they're going to want him to play 1B at some point. They have a lot of DH types on their roster right now but no one locking down 1B. or not. who knows

riight, but he's been their primary first baseman since Chapman went on the IL. When Chapman comes back Fores is getting a lot less playing time. And it ain't like Dominic Smith has 1B locked down either

Sox are still going to have the bonus portion of the Devers contract count against the CBT for years to come, but it will free up a nice chunk of change.

If he's not willingly moving over to 1B in SF then the same EXACT thing is going to happen to him there. There DH spot is clogged up, Flores certainly does not have 1B locked down and the DH is going to get more clogged when Chapman comes back. I like Devers, I really do, but I'm going to chuckle if they want him at 1B and he doesn't like that.

If he's willing to play 1B, just not in Boston that's a bad look. He's the highest paid $300 million dollar man who can't put a personal quivel behind him for the best interest of the team? Even if it's true that the situation could have been handled differently there's not way that's not a good look. He's definitely saying, I had no problem playing 1B I just didn't want to do it because of the way they asked me in Boston. He put his quarrels with the FO above the team.

That's the part that really gets me the most, the fact that he is probably going to end up playing 1B in SF at some point.

I could be convinced to appropriate more blame to the F.O. but I just can't assign them (putting Breslow into the F.O. discussion) more than Devers. We can hypothetically speculate all day if things could have been different if the conversation was different but we don't nor will we ever live in that world. Many players in Raffy's position would make that move, he's even saying he would play 1B in SF. In the end, I can appreciate as a business owner having a philosophical difference between how I WANT to run a company vs. a set of parameters set by the other guy. Breslow does not have to abide by the promises made by his predecessor, and if Devers has a problem with that then it's on Bloom OR ownership. If you got a new boss tomorrow, you can't expect him to uphold promises the other guy made if he's asking you to do something that's within the scope of his power. Breslow is the head guy, he came in and tried to make the team better. I can appreciate as a business owner that when certain situations arise, sometimes the best thing to do is part ways. I think this is what happened, I think John Henry told Devers in KC that they were going to look to trade him. It may have even been a very friendly conversation "hey we love you, but if we must part ways then we will trade you to a good team, just keep your mouth shut, play your heart out and we will send you off to a contender"

Here's my Blame pie Devers: 30% Breslow: 30% Cora: 30% F.O. 10%

Great win, Giolito looked great. One thing I noticed looking at Giolito is he's either been really really good, or awful in all of his starts. He has 3 starts this year. May 5th 3.2 innings pitched 6 runs May 17th 4 IP 6 runs June 4th 1.2 IP 7 runs He also gave up 3 runs in his first start, all other starts he has given up 0-1 run. I know i know i know, I'm cherry picking, and everyone looks better if you take out their worse 3 starts, but the pendulum really seems to swing with him. He's either awful, but when he's on he's really really good.

You get me lol

How do you think we get those guys off our books? You're either eating all the money, or sending a guy with the level of value of Duran. Which is not realistic. You probably split the difference and send them a prospect package like Franklin Aria, Jhostynxnon Garcia +15-30 million. That's assuming you can find a team that is still willing to take on a lot of money, and is willing to do so, and likes that prospect package. Same can be said of Yoshida. This I'm not sure how selling off our young assets to clear money out helps us after getting rid of Devers. It kind of just clears us out and sets us up to make a run in 3-4 years from now instead of in the present. It also seems pretty irresponsible to get rid of a lot of top prospects to clear out money when we can reset the luxury tax next year, and all those guys would be off the books by the time that 2-3 year reset window comes back around.

What is market level? one could argue it's exactly what a guy is getting paid in free agency. We see time and time again the top elite level bats out earning these "models" Anyone who thinks the Sox can go out and replace Devers level of production by paying a guy $29 million a year is lying to themselves. Outside of luck, that ain't happening. Not saying they didn't have to trade him, obviously the relationship went south and there's blame pie to go around and there's a lot we don't know yet that I'd like to know so I'm not going down that rabbit hole with people yet. But while the $30 million extra a year does hold significant value to the Sox, in a vacuum that money alone isn't going to replace him.

Wtf, didn’t mean to post that twice. i think it’s obvious they’re going to rotate the DH position. this is just shocking. I’m interested to see what the clubhouse reaction will be, how will they respond?

I’d be interested to know ownerships hand in all this. You have to believe Breslow had their blessing or it was agreed upon the organization needed to move on from him. shocking, and gutsy

I’d be interested to know ownerships hand in all this. You have to believe Breslow had their blessing or it was agreed upon the organization needed to move on from him. shocking, and gutsy