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Not the point. Point is, would someone really not resign Raffy right now because of a slump? Do we actually think he's regressed or just in a slump? seemed like a ridiculous statement to me that was all.

Subjective, let me rephrase. Sale hasn't lost his stuff, he just can't stay healthy. It's not like he's not a good pitcher when he can pitch....he just hasn't been healthy. He came back last year and pitched great in the ALCS. He did what you expect your ace to do.

It’s been said for a while that DD won that trade because none of those prospects really amounted to anything, Moncada was a bust. Kopech however is very young still and having a good season.

I bet no one remembers but I was actually against the Chris Sals trade at the time because I thought his arm was going to blow up. It did, but afterwards it seems to be misfortune to prevent him from coming back. Bones heal stronger, if his elbow is fine then great. He still pitches like an ACE when he’s out there. Still, Sox need to acquire an ACE as Sale can’t be trusted. If he gets healthy and pitches amazing then great, we’ll have two and be a real WS contender.

So if Raffys agent came to JH and said we will sign for 280/10 you say no?

No, I think he knows something we don’t. Time to stock up in supplies and build that bunker

Ummmm, is the world ending in a few years???

Then who plays CF? Kike hurt, JBJ gone, Pham was t here until recently (also not a CFer). Letting go of JBJ was stupid, especially if it didn’t free up any money.

I didn’t look at Fwar I only checked Bwar. And I didn’t say Story was better only that he’s of comparative value…at least that’s what I think I said.

Trevor Story career OPS .848 > Bogaerts .812 plus better defense. Not calling Story better, only saying he produced as good as value as Bogaerts. Facts

Story’s been hurt for a long time and is still 2nd on the team in RBIs, has better defense and more power. Look at their stats before this season as well, Story had a good bat, as good as Bogaerts. Slightly less average but more power better defense. The knock on Story was Coors field, him and Bogaerts had identical OPS playing away which bit that narrative in the butt. But don’t take my word for it, look up what Story has done the past decade.

Story, Arroyo, and Pham, all Bloom moves.

When it comes to evaluating talent teams use both methods. Statistics gives insights the eye tests can not and is not as subjective, it’s absolute. The eye test shows us things not seem in the stats, the WHY at times. Also, the quality of the eyes matter too, we don’t see Jack thru the TV.

Why do you need fans to explain this to you when you can look it up. It would be like asking your uncle to explain vaccines to you instead of your doctor. WAR is a very understandable concept, it’s formulation is no secret and you can easily look it up and understand it yourself. This just screams bating, if you have a problem with WAR, why not specifically state what that problem is and how’s its calculation is flawed

Again, let me reiterate. I never said he accomplished the mission. He’s succeeded at rebuilding the farm. That’s it. Winning is obviously the objective, and I ponder with a rebuilt farm and payroll flexibility for the first time in years what direction the team goes in this offseason.

I was specific to say “to date” and not mission accomplished. Read my last comment above.

I think Bloom is going to surprise everyone with the moves he makes this off-season, for better or worse. He keeps on being labeled as a small market GM managing the Sox like a small market team who will not go out and make the big moves. It seems this opinion is largely shared by those who want Bloom fired and those who are giving him more patience alike. I think, or at least I hypothesize you’re all wrong. Bloom was brought in here to mix small market ideals with a big budget team. To model an organization like LA (maybe not quite as high a payroll but who knows). Let’s look at what LA does, they stay competitive by adding payroll, but they surprisingly always have a strong farm and mix in their talent with young players as well. Despite a lower draft position year after year, they do this by keeping the farm intact and superior scouting. The first thing you have to do to get to this point is rebuild the farm. In 3 years we’ve gone from the worse farm system to a top 10 system in baseball. So this is where we are at, no disagreements here. You can’t argue that Bloom has accomplished the mandate of rebuilding the system. After that a divergence occurs, many fans can’t stomach several seasons in a row of non-competivness (We did almost make it to the World Series last year). Now we find Bloom in a unique situation. People on both sides don’t think he has the balls to make big moves because he’s a small market GM. Well, here’s my argument to the contrary. He WAS a small market GM, he came into Boston and had no payroll flexibility, his job was to shed payroll and build up the farm. Mission accomplished. But now he’s walking into an off-season with 100 million to spend. Premium free agents who play positions we have big holes at, and a year in which a large number of other big market teams are up against the luxury tax and seemingly don’t have the ability to be as active as us. Bloom has never had this opportunity before, and I think it’s unwise to assume he’s going to run the Sox like the TB rays this off-season. I think this off-season is the year they make their moves. If I’m wrong, I’d be perfectly content moving over to the fire Bloom side. But he has a golden opportunity to build a great team this off-season. Let’s see what happens.

My only concern about Kavadas is he doesn’t really have a defensive home, his defense is below average anywhere, reportedly. I have a hard time believing a non obese young man can’t learn to play at least an average 1B or LF but I know very little of such things. If you can hit, you can find your way on an MLB team, so Kavadas might have a fine MLB career in front of him, but not having a defensive home puts a ton of pressure on his bat. He HAS to hit.

Getting substantial help to this team right now would be like throwing all your money in the pot with a s*** hand. There’s a time to sell, and a time to buy, this season was not the time to buy. Regardless of what anyones opinions may be of John Henry and Bloom. They have a plan, they don’t have a plan, their plan is in motion, their plan is s*** etc etc. it is painstakingly clear that wasting assets to improve this team is a waste of assets. Fold, throw your money down when you actually have a chance of winning.

I think Bloom was hired with the mandate to rebuild the organization and then build a winner. I think to date he’s done his job. I would expect, or at least desire John Henry to check in and see if Bloom intends on turning on the heat. I suspect Bloom has at least until the end of 2023.

I’ll go with Ward, I don’t expect to see Kavadas until 2024….but if hits his way up and enough guys get injured you never know.

I think to some extent, there was some luck involved as well. As a general rule of thumb, you don’t trade away a top prospect above AA that plays a position you know will soon be vacant. E.G. Tristan Casas

Me too, the farm system exists to supplement the big league club. That’s why I care about it. A deeper farm gives you more chances for the ext Raffy Devers, more ammunition to trade for a TOTRS, or to make moves at the deadline. You do much less of that with a weak farm. So I care so much about the big league club…I care about the farm

It doesn’t matter what DD did. He emptied the farm to win now, and he did. Mission accomplished, the farm system exists to supplement the big league club and that includes trading away your prospects. FWIW DD traded away the right guys, most of the players he traded away never hit. Regardless, Bloom was brought in to rebuild the farm.

Just laying out the facts. Sox system was widely regarded the worse or among the worse before Bloom took over.