Hugh2
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Yeah, we can close the books on this one. Not sure Rosa or Gambrelo will ever amount to anything, but it’s not exactly like Andrew lit the world on fire after the Sox traded him. Still Winck has touched 99 MPH out of the pen, I wonder if he could reestablish himself as an effective reliever if the Sox want to close the book on him as a starter. They could hypothetically win this trade if that happened. I don’t ever want to count on him as a starter so I’d love to see them try him out there. Perhaps they still view him as a swing man.
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So then how do you not now there isn’t a better option?
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Who would a700hitter have as the #1 #2 #3 #4 #5????
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Also everyone is interested in everyone at this point. Depending on the price does anyone doubt the Sox wouldn’t bring back Bogaerts? Or depending on the price take Correa over Bogaerts? You also never know who you may be trading for mid season. Teams talk to players to build rapport. Everyone talks to everyone
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This is fair, but when is the last time the Sox went significantly under? It’s a fair assumption they will spend close to the tax line
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Why do people assume because there’s a rumor attached to a guy that A.) The Sox are very interested B. The Sox will sign them C. If the former is true it’s somehow their priority. The Sox have a 40 man roster to fill, and people act like every move that isn’t an all star is a horrible one or the roster has to be filled out top to bottom with stars first. Look, it’s well within the rights of fandom to critique ownership, but this line of thinking is just stupid. The winter meetings have not even taken place yet. Just stop with the stupidity please people.
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The thing about Cody is his defense gives him a higher floor, he’s still on the right side of his prime snd has an MVP under his belt. It’s a low risk/high reward move. The money saved in the outfield during a year the OF market sucks gives you the financial flexibility to focus more on pitching/SS/extend Devers
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I’m going to go cryogenically freeze myself now. Can someone wake me when the off-season starts???
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In a world where money doesn’t matter Judge would be my #1 target. Unfortunately we don’t live in that world.
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Most IFA guys sign when they’re 16. Devers is an exception not a norm
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Yeah but it was reported by Lou too, and I trust Lou.
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I'd believe that. I don't think there are very many "unplanned" leaks within this organization.
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Sorry, Bogaerts at 17. Devers at 16
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That's top of the top prospects. Reaching the majors at 21 is no easy feat, and there are plenty of all stars who didn't reach the majors until after then. Devers and Bogery were also international guys who started their pro careers at 16.
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And what is the right deal? if he preferred to not play in Boston the right deal could have been 450. Maybe it was 400, which were his demands. I mean if someone says "sure I'll stay here for the right deal give me a billion dollars" I mean come on. 300 million was a very reasonable offer by the Sox which at the very least negates the false narrative they didn't try to sign him to an extension.
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Come one man, that's still a mountain more of evidence than your theory. We see what we want to see, Sox made three contract offers to Betts, and he gave every indication he wanted to go to FA. Again, and again, I think this is the case of us fans seeing what we want to see and putting our fingers over our ears and going "la la la la la la la la" Betts was gone, Betts was never going to sign an extension here, maybe the Sox could have signed him in FA but they would have had to top 12/365 at the very least because we know LA would have offered that.
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Again, that's just conjecture, as is my stance.....but at least there is some supporting evidence in the rumor mill that Mookie did not want to stay here. I know it's a tough pill for Sox fans to swallow but the reality is I think Betts just did not want to stay here. So hypothetically it may make just as much sense but there's a lot more evidence that the former is true. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mookie-betts-says-he-doesnt-regret-turning-down-300-million-offer-from-red-sox/ https://www.si.com/mlb/dodgers/news/dodgers-mookie-betts-reveals-why-he-turned-down-red-sox-contract-extension https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/07/mookie-betts-contract-if-boston-red-sox-had-given-him-similar-deal-would-he-have-re-signed-its-a-very-valid-question-he-says.html
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To add and answer your question, the biggest piece of evidence we have that Mookie didn't want to resign here is the fact that he was traded. I know people love to hate Boston and criticize the moves, but do people really believe the Sox wouldn't have tried harder to keep him here, or not have traded him before FA if he really wanted to stay? Devers is still here, they may not want to resign Devers but if he had no intention of staying here there would be trade rumors galore right now.
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There were other reports and others speculating. I have a high level of confidence Mookie didn't want to sign here, as Red Sox fans that's a very harsh reality to face and I can understand why many of us refuse to accept that. But conversely, why would Mookie suggest post script he didn't want to sign here? He's not a bad guy, why would he trash talk Boston like that, I'm not surprised he hasn't suggested such.
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Also, if you trust Felger& Mazz, they reported that they heard the Sox ultimately caved in and gave Betts what he wanted but he said no. I have heard from other places that Betts ultimately wanted to go to FA. There's a lot of evidence Betts didn't want to resign here....something some Sox fans may never accept and/or get over.
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I think there's enough evidence to speculate there are a lot of people here back then who probably liked him. It doesn't take much to at least want to check in with a guy, doesn't mean they're going to trade for him.
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My opinion changes daily, but my new current offseason wish list includes: Senga/Correa
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Not under Bloom, love him or hate him, but he leaks almost nothing. But I vaguely remember it reported that the Sox were rumored to have offered him up to $300 million>?!> no?
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I think Betts "buy now" price was higher before he went to LA. When covid struck and we didn't even know if there was going to be a season so much uncertainty in the world lowered that price.
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I didn't feel like digging that deep, but most of the scouts I started looking at are still in the organization now. Ray Fagnot who signed Groome is now the regional scouting supervisor, willie Romy is still a scout, Vaughn Williams who signed Dalbec is still a scout. And Michael Rikard who was the VP of amateur scouting in 2016 is now the Director of scouting.