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Everything posted by notin
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Yeah it was obviously going to be much tougher when just division winners went. The 1978 Red Sox had the second best record in all of MLB, but they missed the postseason…
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I’m ok with that. Trying and failing isn’t the same as not trying…
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I’m the 54 years since divisional play started, the Sox have gone to the postseason 18 times…
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I never mentioned the Sox. I made a very specific prediction based on current events and off-season spending trends. And a bold one becaus it’s extremely unlikely. Predicting Montgomery to the Sox would be bold, but it’s actually not the only potential bold prediction. If the weatherman in Houston predicted it to be partially cloudy with a chance of zombie apocalypse later today, bold or not bold? And while zombies were devouring every living brain in and around Galveston Bay, would you call him out for not being bold enough to predict Armageddon?
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Vesting option question. Per baseball-reference, Sale makes $27mill this year, and has a vesting option for $20mill if he finishes in the top ten for Cy Young voting in 2024. So a great year gives him a $7mill paycut. But if that had happened, Sale already agreed to it. There is probably more to this option but let’s pretend there isn’t for now. (And that he wasn’t traded.) But what if he just misses? What if Sale is 11th in Cy Young voting? The option doesn’t vest. But can the Sox exercise that option? If so, can Sale decline it? Because presumably he would get a much better deal in free agency than 1yr/$20mill…
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Haven’t they been doing that with Sale for the past 4 seasons? And all those guys were signed by a different front office.
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Not bold?? Of course it was bold, just based on timing alone. The Ohtani investigation could go on all season!!
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If he bet on games he is involved in, he is banned for life per Rule 21. (Betting on baseball games he is not involved in gets him banned for one year per the same rule.) This is the rule Rose violated. And it is posted in every MLB clubhouse…
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Bold Prediction: Once it is revealed Shohei Ohtani has been betting on baseball games (including his) and is banned, the Dodgers use the money from his voided contract to sign Montgomery…
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Or, they looked at his baseball-reference page and noticed he was due $27million this year and had only pitched a total of 151 innings in the past four seasons. They possibly also noticed that he hasn’t been the same pitcher since 2018…
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It was complete BS. It made fans think nothing was going to be an obstacle for putting together a winning team, especially not money. The reality was money was clearly going to be an obstacle…
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It’s easy to understand, but is it likely?
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Never been into memorabilia. I do remember going to games as a youngster and players would just stand by the fence and sign whatever (usually my program). I got a few Sox players autographs that way. My only other autograph was a baseball signed by journeyman catcher Mike Heath, given to my dad to give to me by one of his former colleagues who pitched in the Yankees minor league system. The man gave it to me upon hearing of a serious beaning I had taken in a game… -
Honestly, given what Sale has been going through the past 4 years, how much it’s cost the Sox and how little has translated into on field success, was it really that hard to understand? If Sale had pitched 120 IP over the past 4 years for another team, and Breslow signed him, it would be labeled as a Dumster Dive signing here. And understandably so. But because he is elsewhere and gave the Braves 11 good spring training innings, Breslow clearly traded the 2024 and 2025 Obvious Cy Young Winner for an unproven player with a fatal groin injury, and only did so to save money despite agreeing to pay over 2/3 of Sale’s salary. By the way, Chase Anderson has pitched 11 better innings than Sale this spring. How come that’s meaningless?
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Agreed. There’s no such thing as a bad minor league contract. Not sure why the Sox give this guy a Major League deal when better pitchers like Eric Lauer and Domingo German had to settle for minor league deals elsewhere. I’m not a huge Mike Clevinger fan either, but I would have begrudgingly understood a one year deal there as well…
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I don’t mind dumpster dive signings. Some of them do pan out and become quite productive. But they shouldn’t be the only signings…
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Also only 192 IP in the past 4 years. Not sure why they passed on a few others in order to give this guy a Major League deal…
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If a GM is on a 4 year plan, I hope he isn’t relying too heavily on the draft…
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Not according to this thread. Grissom is just an expendable prospect and Chris Sale is currently a great pitcher. Haven’t you been reading about it?
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1. Bye Joe Jacques? Please. 2. I think they signed him because his successes from 2017-19 were in a period in his career he was throwing 92-93mph on average for his fastball. He then lost a couple mph on it and it didn’t get that high again until 2023. So maybe that’s what they’re hoping on? But yeah, he’s pretty much bottom of the barrel. Makes me long for Kyle Gibson…
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No they didn’t. They had the Sox include $17mill to cover a huge chunk of his salary.
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I’ve campaigned for that as well, as both have a solid track record there. Although I do think a lot of people (myself included) forgot Houck actually looked mildly promising as a starter in 2021. He didn’t rack up the IP as he needed to, but he did post a 3.68 ERA in the role. I do know Sale hasn’t been the answer to keeping them in the bullpen. It’s probably more accurate to say Sale is a big part of the reason one or both were needed as starters. I’d rather the Sox had gone out and gotten even some mediocre starters (Eric Lauer, for example) and kept both in what could have been an absolutely killer bullpen. But just because they’re both better relievers doesn’t mean they have no future as starters. And their limited track records are not anything either cannot necessarily overcome…
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Think Sale still is a great pitcher? If the Sox simply wanted to trade away Sale’s contract, they had other offers that gave them less in return but took on everything owed to Sale. Grissom was definitely a player Breslow was targeting here…
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We’ve also seen pitchers with worse track records as starters at their age actually become good starters. Derek Lowe being a prime example…
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Think Sale was going to be worth that $20mill in 2025? It was very far from being any sort of guarantee…
