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Yes but most of them who do so are not He Who Shall Not Be Named (who isn’t you, unless you also think “Prune Face” Henry is cheap and spends too much money on his trophy wife that should be earmarked for the Sox).
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But give them this. They never say those who don’t agree with them are ruining baseball...
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The Gravity of Andrew Benintendi's Slow Start
notin replied to mvp 78's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Hey if it gets him a .903 OPS... -
Would you be thinking of someone “Who Shall Not Be Named”?
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Oh cp. What makes you think that was a shot at you? (It wasn’t.)
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The Gravity of Andrew Benintendi's Slow Start
notin replied to mvp 78's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Absolutely. But when the Sox have 2 offensive black holes in the lineup, it does put more pressure on Benintendi... -
The Gravity of Andrew Benintendi's Slow Start
notin replied to mvp 78's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
It’s a Sampson thing... -
Because the nerds in the analytics department didn’t play baseball and therefore cannot understand the game at the same level as someone who might have played maybe in high school (or maybe not) but at least watched a lot of games on TV and therefore can speak for all managers and MLB players. Got it?
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I expect numerous comments tomorrow about how that decision could have only come from Harold Nerdwell in the analytics department. Cora had nothing to do with it...
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You might want to reset your parameters there. The splits on that page only appear to cover about 1200 at bats and Alomar had over 3000 hits
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I can agree with that. Especially now. Players are aware that teams like to use the 2-spot for their best hitters. So if anything, it’s an ego boost and probably carries some prestige. To think Betts wants to bat leadoff because of some alleged “prestige” attached to that batting order spot is laughable. Mookie has shown us how he wants his prestige. He wants it negotiated into a long term deal and measurable in USD...
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Roberto Alomar has over twice as many plate appearances batting second than he does leading off. He even has more plate appearances batting third than he does leading off. Trout has more plate appearances batting second than anywhere else. And over three times as many batting second as he does leading off.
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Roberto Alomar and Trout are great 2-spot hitters
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But is there a certain “prestige” with batting leadoff that would give a player a fit if he suddenly found himself batting second?
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Roberto Alomar, Mike Trout. The thing is, most of the best 2-spot hitters are probably players fans associate with hitting leadoff...
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Let me ask you two simple questions 1. Why is there a certain prestige in batting leadoff? 2. If the metrics and strategy say bat your best hitter second, doesn’t that mean there is a certain prestige in batting second?
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Honestly I have no idea. Some players might feel there is, but some also probably don’t care. I won’t even pretend I know the split. Bottom line, I’m not going to attach any sweeping generalizations to situations I know nothing about. And whether I think there is from my viewpoint as a fan is completely irrelevant...
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Is there really? So Billy Hamilton was a more prestigious player than Joey Votto for a while there. By that logic, hasn’t there always been a certain prestige to batting fourth? The spot we still call “clean up”. Should the Sox drop Mookie down in the order?
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Or a third possibility - Cora decides he wanted Mookie batting second because Benintendi is on base a lot and he figured it was a good way to capitalize on it. Why is everything such a big conspiracy against your little league coach in your eyes?
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They pretty much all are. Teams aren’t managed by guys playing hunches like James Gammons’ Lou Brown in “Major League”. They’re managed by guys analyzing the whole situation like Luke Edwards’ Billy Haywood in “Little Big League”, but with more data. (And much older than 12 or whatever he was.)
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No one is “calling for” a Bumgarner/Chavis trade. No one. So far all we have is some people who say it’s a good idea or a fair trade. As far as anyone knows, neither side has even acknowledged there is anything to this rumor beyond it being just that, a rumor. But I will reiterate my viewpoint, which is that if DD pursues an angle like this, it is a fair trade for both sides. If I were GM, I’d only pull the trigger after knowing the full scope of the deal and (assuming the full scope was acceptable) had some sort of insurance about Bumgarner’s health, since he’s only pitched 240 IP in the last two seasons combined. Chavis might be excellent. He might be mediocre. And three years from now, he might fall into the abyss of Garin Cecchini/Steve Lomasney types that no one remembers. The odds are heavily stacked against him being excellent - so few are - but he has beaten them to date. Once the league gets a second look at him and how he adjusts will be a big factor in seeing what he really is...
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But your doubts are based on what? A prejudice against analytics? FWIW, Cora strongly embraces them and apparently by choice. And he does so because he believes they work, largely due to his experiences in Houston and Boston. And really, managers using available analytics is something with a looong history in MLB. The only thing that changes are the analytics they use. That and we have several websites that tell the public data and information that we didn’t have access to when Earl Weaver was managing...
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1. So the analytical geeks get no credit for any past success because the Sox lost once? 2. I do agree the bullpen will need help at some point. But not much will happen there until the buyers and sellers establish themselves. Especially since DD is ignoring the waiver wire...
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Chavis doesn’t have to be Middlebrooks to prove this point. If he actually does settle into mediocrity at some point, he won’t be the first prospect to do so after a blazing start. What if he turns out to be another Eric Wedge?
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Right now it’s just message board fodder. Probably never close to anything real, and by the time SF is ready to trade Mad Bum, Chavis might even slump himself right off their radar. But if DD pursues something like this, I would expect Chavis to be one of the first names a lot of teams mention. At least how it stands today...
