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Then maybe they should merge examiner's thread into yours. One Yankee thread about 2018 is enough on a Sox blog.

I don't think it's a stretch to expect several players to do more like 2016 than 2017, specially the younger players- which we have more of. You can call it "improvement", but maybe it's more like "return to their norm". There's also another big factor: returning players who did not play a full season last year. Maybe not all will be healthy and play a full season in 2018, and some are doubtful, but there is a long enough list to believe there will be a greater impact from these players in 2018 (of course others or some of these could be injured next year): Price: 11 starts to 20 to 33. Wright: 5 injury influenced starts to 20 to 33 (In fairness, ERod from 24 starts to 5 to 20) (Also, Fister, Johnson, Velazquez & Kendrick from 25 starts to 0 to ???) Carson Smith: 7 IP to maybe 57 IP Brandon Workman: 40 IP to maybe 80 to 100 IP (as long relief guy) Austin Maddox: 17 IP to maybe 47 or 57 Robby Scott: 36 IP to maybe 46 or 56 Robbie Ross: 9 IP to ??? Thornburg: 0 IP to ??? Devers: 58 games to 158 games (No Pablo or Rutledge) Vaz: 99 games to 120 (Leon from 85 to 64) These changes alone could easily outweigh any 2 free agent signings. The 4 killer Bs hitting with a 2016 OPS instead of 2017 would be like adding a major FA.

I don't see us matching up with the Rays, but we sure could use all of the three bolded players.

I would not assume Beni will be a plus defender in CF or RF. I'm not going out on a limb to say, it would be a certain downgrade on defense to have Beni replace JBJ. The upgrade in offense would be Ozuna vs JBJ. It looks like a clear plus for Ozuna, but the 2 years vs 3 years balances it up, in my opinion. I doubt the Marlins would trade Ozuna for JBJ and a mid level prospect. They want to avoid pricey arb players. Maybe a three-team deal could be worked out, but I'm not sure i want to give up 3 years for 2 seemingly better ones. It would play more into the 2 year window theory. I think our window is more like 3 years.

I was thinking the "New York Yankee" thread started by examiner.

We had a sell-off a couple times: 1) The AGon, CC, Beckett - Dodger deal 2) The free agents-to-be sell off of Lester, Lackey, Peavy, Doubront, A Miller and others. The first one, I think Sox fans were 50-50 over. The second one, fans are still going mental over. None were under DD: both were under Ben. The Yanks are being praised for their moves. Ben is being roasted for his. (Note: Ben traded his vets for more established players, while Cashman traded for younger and more speculative valued talent, something many on this board frown upon.)

Good recap, but couldn't this go on one of the other Yankee threads?

Yes, and also Shoppach who was part of the Coco Crisp trade. Freedy Sanchez who brought us Jeff Suppan and Brandon Lyons who was part of the Schilling trade. Nomar, who was traded for O Cab who helped us win in '04 and then brought us comp picks: Ellsbury (his comp pick was Kopech who helped us get Sale) and Lowrie (who brought us Melancon who brought us Holt) Manny brought us Jason Bay, who got us comp picks that ended up being Workman & Brentz. Pedro's departure to free agency brought us comp pick Buchholz. Not all of these moves can be 100% attributed to Dan D- some aren't even 50% attributed to him. Several are just slightly related to his players. My point is that every GM greatly affects what the next guy does and can do.

Dan D might have won with Henry as his owner. I'm not dissing Theo, but Dan was no dummy.

Yankee Free Agents: Maybe Tanaka Sabathia Pineda Frazier Garcia Holliday Free Agents after next year: Robertson Warren Headley Red Sox Free Agents: Moreland Nunez Reed Fister Young Abad Boyer Davis Free agents after next year: Kimbrel Pomeranz maybe HRam Kelly Ross

MLBTR reports... The Rays should be open to trading right-hander Jake Odorizzi, closer Alex Colome, outfielder/designated hitter Corey Dickerson and second baseman Brad Miller during the offseason, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times opines. All four players will go through arbitration in the winter, with Odorizzi projected to end up with the highest salary ($6.5MM). He’s also the player the Rays are most likely to trade, according to Topkin. Odorizzi, 27, is coming off a down season, but his impressive track record and two remaining years of affordable team control could lead to plenty of interest from starter-needy clubs.

Yes.

I agree. I think we just need to make 2 major additions or 3 close to major additions. We might have close to $40M to spend, if Henry give the okay to approach the second penalty phase of the luxury tax budget. That might be just enough. Add possible full years by Price, Devers, Smith, Wright, Maddox, and more from Ross and Thornburg to the probability that some of our younger players will actually improve as the approach or reach prime, and we could easily still be "the team to beat" in the AL East.

If we want to be "like the Yankess", we should trade our stars for prospects and build the team from youth, then add 5-6 guys at the deadline. The Yanks did not get this good by trading for any Stantons. (Note: I'm not trying to say we should be "like" the Yanks, but I do share Kimmi's deep concern over the depletion of our farm.)

Player A is Lucas Duda.

We have to at least upgrade 1B, and we should not bring Moreland back. He didn't do badly, but 1B (or DH if HRam can play 1B) can be the one area we can gain in power and overall offense.

I can't agree more. You nailed it.

You should be proud. Too bad it's one and done!

Only CC Sabathia has gone over 252 IP since 2008. Verlander went 251 in 2011. He's still going strong. In the last 10 years, these are the top single seasons IP by SP'ers: (Look how many have been hurt) All with 236+ IP in at least one season: 253 CC Sabathia x 3 251 Verlander x 3 251 Halladay x 2 (this decade only) 250 Felix x 3 249 Shields 248 Price 244 Cueto 242 Wainwright 238 D Haren 237 Carpenter 236 Kershaw

They might not have thrown as hard. They may not have thrown many breaking balls that stresses the arm further. There were some great pitchers who were iron men at the same time. Forget 300 innings. Ib Cy Young;s first few seasons he pitched over 400 for four straight seasons and 5 of 6. Not only did that not break him down, after those 6 seasons, he followed it up with 9 straight 300 IP seasons and 10 of 11. At ages 41 & 42, he pitched over 290 IP. I guess that's why they call it the Cy Young Award! In the last 40 years, a pitcher has gone over 300 IP: Phil Neikro twice and Steve Carlton once. When you look at the list of the 33 pitchers who went 275 or more, they almost all are great pitchers who had very long careers. P Niekro x 3 Carlton x 3 Palmer Dennis Leonard x 2 Blyleven Dennis Martinez x 2 Charlie Hough Clemens Steve Rogers x 2 J Morris Yes, you have the Fernando Valenzuela's who were burnt out by 27 and a couple one hit wonders, but most were great ones.

We get it.

I don't get it either. Pitchers used to go very 4 days and go deeper in the games as well. There were injuries then, but if it's all about IP, one would have expected more.

Thanks for the verification, slash, but I really wasn't trying for any glory on this. I've been wrong on these things too many times to gloat when I seemingly got one right. I say "seemingly", because I never hear what the best offer was, and I might have said no to it.

You're probably right. Sox brass must have valued him more than the best offer made.

This city is going mental! So happy to see the Yanks lose. I will say, they got hosed on strike calls, but the 'stros deserved the win.