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I hope you're being sarcastic. Gray has many stretches better and longer than his 5-8 game stretch with the Yanks. AUG 2-3 2.70 (1.200 WHIP) SEP 2-4 4.58 (1.302) Hell, he had a better run with the A's earlier this year! He was better his first 10 starts of his career to end the 2013 season. He then started the 2014 season with 15 ERs in his first 10 starts (5-1 1.99 ERA). He had a 1.60 ERA after his first 14 starts of 2015. Later in 2015, he let up 15 ERs is a 9 straight starts. To me, Gray has a good shot at pitching like an ace or top #2 guy next year.

His plan must involve upgrading our power. I'm all about pitching and defense, but you can't field a team who plays half its games in Fenway Park and have such a disadvantage to your opponents in power. He might not have to nutty, but he needs to something rather significant.

JBJ is my favorite Sox player. I wouldn't call it "pushing him out the door", if Stanton is coming in the door. I'd rather trade Bogey, if we had to part with a "B".

The Marlins would be happy to part ways with Dee.

It's scary. Although the Yanks have been talking about cutting salary, they are losing enough salary to surprise with a big signing or trade. That would put enormous pressure on DD. I can see Kimmi's point of view, and I do think we can be very competitive next year without any major deals, and a little luck with injuries, but we've already set up the cliff in order to be at the top of mix and not to hang near the fringe.

Maybe Stanton and Ziegler ($9M/1 yr). We need a lefty RP'er and $9M is a lot. Then again... Let's go all in, then. Make them take HRam, but we'll take all their big deals: Trade: HRam ($22M luxury) 18:$22M, 19:$22M vesting option Plus who????? (Flores & Chavis) For Stanton ($25M luxury tax) 18:$25M, 19:$26M, 20:$26M, 21:$29M, 22:$29M, 23:$32M, 24:$32M, 25:$32M, 26:$29M, 27:$25M, 28:$25M club option ($10M buyout) Volquez ($11M luxury) 18:$13M Gordon ($10M luxury) 18:$10.5M, 19:$13M, 20:$13.5M, 21:$14M club Ziegler ($8M) 18:$9M [We could take Prado ($13.3M luxury) 18:$13.5M, 19:$15M, instead of Gordon.] That's $56M luxury tax dollars (2018 only) in exchange for $22M for HRam. That's a net $34M for us and savings for Miami in 2018. They save way more later. We'd still be under the second penalty phase. (Adding Prado would allow us to move Devers to 1B, but would put the net salary at $47.3M. I guess we could ask for just enough cash to keep us under, although I don't really want Prado (and others listed). How many prospects would we have to include to save the Marlins that much cash? 1) Gordon 2B > Pedey 2) Bogey SS 3) Betts RF 4) Stanton DH 5) Beni LF 6) Devers 3B (1B) 7) Morrison 1B (Prado 3B) 8) JBJ CF 9) Vaz SP1 Sale SP2 Price SP3 Pom SP4 Volquez SP5 Porcello SP6 Wright>ERod RP1 Kimbrel RP2 Smith RP3 Kelly RP4 Barnes RP5 Maddox RP6 Workman/Hembree RP7 Ziegler/Scott/Johnson> Thornburg/Ross

Shaw was my "sleeper prospect pick" for two years in a row- way back. I gave up on him too. His minor league career was full of good half seasons and bad-- more bad than good over his prior 2-3 years before his call-up. Then, he looked awful the last half of 2016. I was actually more upset about giving up Dubon than Shaw, and I was not alone. I realize there were a couple posters who were high on Shaw, and kudos to them, but I can't see getting upset over DD trading him at that point in his career. He guessed wrong, but it was not something anyone expected. Even the Shaw fans never expected him to do what he did in the small market town of Milwaukee.

The playoffs are a crap shoot. I'm not so sure we can reed too much into a couple series for each of our teams (Sox in 2016 & 2017 and the Yanks two series this year). Yeah, it's disappointing. Missing two opportunities is frustrating. I do believe in the "cliff". I'm huge on keeping a strong farm, but DD made the bed. It's time to sleep in it. No half way s*** the next 2 years. We need to try to get to be a favorite of co-favorite to at least win the AL in the next 2 years. That's not happening standing pat or signing Moreland and Nunez.

If he can't play 3B, he definitely can't play 2B.

I heard Brentz signed a minor league deal with us. Can't find where I read it. This from soxprospects.com... Rumors have swirled that Brentz is drawing interest from Japan, and it is possible he ends up there if he does not receive any major league offers after his great season.

I feel the same, and even then, I'm trying my hardest to get them to take JBJ and better prospects instead.

I think he's having winter surgery.

LOL! Let's do all of these: OF/DH Giancarlo Stanton for CF Jackie Bradley Jr., 3B Michael Chavis. RHP Tanner Houck and 1B Josh Ockimey. 2B/SS Brian Dozier for 1B Sam Travis, utility man Tzu-Wei Lin andMike Shawaryn. 1B/OF Eric Thames for 1B Ockimey or Travis (sub Chavis to make it work) and P Travis Lakins RHP Ervin Santana for P Bryan Mata & Brian Johnson RHP Joakim Soria for Jalen Beeks They also suggest the hilarious Josh Ockimey and Sam Travis as well as third baseman Michael Chavis would be in play for a trade for Goldchmidt.

Per Abraham... Per a source, #RedSox 2B Dustin Pedroia had surgery on his left knee at NY Hospital For Special Surgery today. Story soon at @BGlobeSports Per the #RedSox: Pedroia had cartilage restoration surgery. The surgery was described as successful but there is no indication how much of next season he will miss. “Anticipated that Pedroia would return to games in approximately seven months" Pedroia: Steven Wright had the same surgery with the same doctor on May 8. With the early start this the season, Pedroia would miss 50+ games if he turns in that time frame.

Robbie Scott HRam ERod Pedroia

Hopefully, this is the last surgery Pedey needs, and it helps him stay healthy all year long.

Last time I checked, it's our off season now.

Most small sample sizes are skewed one way or the other by one great or bad series.

.801 playoff OPS is not what kept the Nats from ever advancing.

Haley was taken last year, then was returned. I could see Shepherd or Buttrey (maybe Stanki) being protected, then dropped when we sign someone. This might be more likely: Jalen Beeks Danny Mars Justin Haley Kyle Martin Jake Cosart Shepherd or Buttrey

Agreed. If they took HRam plus more prospects, I'd think about it.

While I agree, there are sometimes unique circumstances that over-ride what seems clear as day. Votto wants to stay in Cincy. The fans love him. They are not a real poor team looking to cut salary. He makes them money, despite his huge salary and the percentage of their budget he takes up. It does seem like they do better trading him, but there's more to it than just surface examination.

They had a nice core of cost-controlled players under team control for 3-4 years. They chose to rebuild. It was not a slam-dunk decision. They also have more spending capabilities than a team like Miami.

I was told for years that the CWS were not going to trade Sale, Quintana and others. This was long before the blown-up by the media uniform cutting incident. Quintana was actually my number one choice due to lower salary and one more year of control. I had hoped we'd have saved many of the prospects traded away, so we could have gotten both of those guys plus maybe Abreu. Maybe we'd be without Pom or Kimbrel of maybe even Thornburg (and Groome) if we got lucky.

Yeah. His range is probably too limited for 2B, and turning DPs could be scary. He looks to be a 1B/DH type and emergency 3B back-up type. We nned a 1B/DH, but we cannot trust in him for day one.