moonslav59

Many bailed at various times last year. Some several times.

I'm still firmly on the Red Sox 2019 Championship Wagon. I was just responding to a post.

2021 1. Duran CF 2. Beni LF 3. Bogey SS 4. Betts RF (re-signed) 5. Devers 1B 6. Chavis DH 7. Dalbec 3B 8. Chatham/Lin 2B 9. Vaz/Rei C SP: Sale, Price, Eovaldi, ERod, DHernandez, Johnson RP: Feltman, Barnes (re-signed), Brasier, Lakins, Mata, Houck

You meant offensive 3Bman, right?

Rumor here in Houston was that he was injury waiting to happen.

Hey! "Corporations are people, too!"

If we are out of it by the deadline (doubtful, IMO), we could get something for Porcello, JBJ and Holt-- all free agents after this year or next. If Moreland or Pearce are hitting well, maybe we could get something for one or both. Nunez will not get anything in return.

There is not many comps of lackluster workhorses like Porcello with a Cy Young in their resume. With guys like Keuchel still looking for a contract, it's hard to know what a GM might offer him right now, let alone this coming winter.

I hate to ever give up hope, but sadly, I have to agree. Maybe he tries another comeback, but we can never count on him for anything going forward.

Once he gets over his eye thingy, that will likely be the plan. I hope we don't have to make another deal like the Kinsler one this summer.

How many prospects that are doing poorly end up sticking around that long? That get chances to change positions to stick around, despite hitting poorly? I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, and I get the point that he never really got many extended chances to "prove himself," but when he did, he did not do well, even in AAA. Yes, he was hurt for some of the time, but he basically sucked from 2015 to 2019. That's a long time to give someone doing so poorly.

I doubt he takes $15M/2 to stay, but that might be the best DD would (could) offer.

When you demote a guy after 8 games one season and try to make him a LFer, then 17 ? games in another season, that is not a fair chance. It wasn't just those 8 games that decided his fate that season. Vaz was coming off an injury, and there was a decent enough sample size to show he was not a good catcher. He then had a chance in AAA after the demotion, and he sucked (.655 OPS in AAA). He even got called back up later in 2016, and he did nothting to distinguish himself. When a player stays on a roster an entire season and gets almost no playing time, that is not a fair chance. He got a chance when Vaz got hurt. He never showed anything promising after his 2014 season in the minors. He played in over 300 games from 2015-2019. While most were scattered and interupted, that's still more games than many other failed prospects ever get to see while playing so poorly. When you say Swihart will focus solely on catching a certain year, then shortly thereafter have him taking reps at different positions, that is not a fair chance. To me, it was way more than fair. He sucks as a catcher, so they gave him a second, third and fourth chance to make it at other positions. They did him a favor! He failed with every chance we gave him.

He really didn't do a great job on defense and with the staff in 2015--certainly not in the "admirable" category even considering the conditions. It's not like the guy was years away from ML ready. He was our starting catcher to start 2016 as well. He played AAA ball in 2014 and had an .810 OPS between AA & AAA that year. They may have called him up at some point in 2015 anyways. 2015 CERA: 3.47 Leon 4.51 Swihart 4.34 Team

I agree, and that's why I asked, if it was legal. If there is no rule preventing it, maybe we could try, and just like the Rusney Castillo situation, they could create a new rule after the fact.

They had to keep him on the roster, because he was out of options. He wasn't good enough to play everyday. They tried to give him chances to prove himself at other positions, but he failed (or got hurt) there, too. When he still had options, he sucked in the minor, too (after 2014). He has sucked from 2015 to 2019 with a brief streak of decent hitting in 2015. Even that was 3 years ago! I just don't agree with the position that he "wasn't given a chance." The guy got more chances than he deserved.

Well, you did say, "he did an admirable job." Since his only plus that year was offense, I made the assumption.

When has that ever stopped a company from trying?

Posters gave up last year, too!

It would certainly benefit the Sox, if they could get away with it. Pedey gives up his player salary by retiring. He then makes the same plus some more for coaching. We pay no more taxes on his money ($13.75 x 2 years). If they can get away with it, it helps a lot.

Everyone would "know" it wasn't for coaching. It would be for his remaining contract he gave up to save the team from taxes. The issue would be league or union acceptance, not coaches acceptance.

A .716 OPS in CF is not far from average.

I'll take .703 at this point (his OPS from 2017-2019).

3 JBJ's: .548 2013-2014 (first 530 PAs) .834 2015-2016 (891 PAs) .703 2017-2019 (1134 PAs)

True, but just last year, he had a very long consistent streak of above average hitting: May 20 to Sept 30 (102 games and 393 PAs) .260/.333/.460/.793