moonslav59

He's only got a little over 200 PAs, this season. He is playing well, though. So, bench the .321 hitting Marco?

We'll have to be extremely lucky to catch just one team.

Yeah, that's like asking the oil companies to stop making money and save the climate.

I don't, and certainly owners take a risk, but a $904M profit is pretty damn good for 19 years of "work."

Not surprising in this era, but still pretty cool.

If they could restructure the deal to lessen the luxury tax hit, they may try, but if they will reset, soon, they may just bite the bullet now rather than add more for the extra year.

I agree. Voit had filled a void very well.

I don't feel sorry for them either, but when people complain about how much they make, it's just a small fraction of all the money made. You hardly ever hear people complain about owners making so much money, and they sometimes make billions.

Here is exactly what I have been talking about when people complain that the players are overpaid. Beyond all the profits, hidden profits, side companies owned by the owner who make money off the team, perhaps the most money the owner makes is when he sells the team. The KC Royals, for God's sake, just sold for a billion dollars! David Glass bought the team in 2000 for just $96 million. He just made over 10 times his money in a 19 year span. The players, rightfully, get no share of this, but when owners cry poverty, it rings hollow to me.

That adds about $14M for that extra year. Sounds about right for a DH in his 36 year old season, but I'm not sure he'd take it. He may look for a contract that takes him to 38 or more.

I think it was more about the "AAAA" player sent to STL. Gallegos has pitched 61 innings and has a 0.738 WHIP and a K rate of 11.8 after spending 8 years or part years in the minors and just turning 28 two weeks ago.

I agree, but if he has another .950+ season, next year, there's a better chance than nil.

The Dodgers have been masters of winning (although not rings), trading prospects and trading for prospects to keep their farm strong at all times. The Braves, Rays and Twins are in pretty good situations, right now, but they had to be bad a few years to get good again.

Middy only had a half season of good hitting. (75 games in 2012) He fell to .696 in 2013 and hit .556 in his following years combined. Shaw had a similar first year (.813 in 65 games with BOS in 2015), but then had an okay year (.726 in 145 gms) followed by 2 very good years (.862 and .825 in 2017 & 2018) He hit over 30 HRs both years. His .556 OPS this year in 228 PAs is certainly like Middy, but if you look at his minor league career, he was up and down almost every half season.

I don't like the term "panic." I think Devers' bat was ML ready before they called him up. He still needed work on his defense, but I think they correctly judged his character to know that he would not be greatly affected by fielding mistakes and media/fan criticism over the expected multitude of errors. We needed a 3Bman, badly. Devers may not have been fully ready, but I don't think it was a "panic move." (BTW, I fully supported the call-up at the time.) How many times have the Sox been accused of babying prospects and waiting too long to call them up? That goes way back to Rice & Lynn who were about the same age as Evans. I'd say this is one area, we've been pretty good at. (I did have an issue with only giving Bogey 10 games at 3B before calling him up to play 3B, but that move worked, too.)

He did keep Devers, so it wasn't a total emptying of the farm. He chose the right one to keep. We also need to remember, he traded Travis Shaw with some prospects (including Dubon) to get Thornburg. Let's not just talk about the deals where the players we dealt for did well. For the most part, most did well. Pom's "well" was short-lived, but he still did well for a good stretch. He also traded Buttrey & Beeks more recently. Here are all the prospects I can think of, that DD traded with their top soxprospects.com ranking included. While many of the prospects listed have looked bad or were already in decline before being traded, the sheer enormity of the amount of prospects traded is very telling. 1 Moncada 1 Swihart 2 Owens 3 Margot 3 Espinoza 5 Kopech 5 Beeks 5 Marrero 6 J Guerra 7 Basabe 9 Dubon 12 Shaw (not a prospect when traded) 12 Rijo 13 Allen 17 Buttrey 17 Basabe 20 Shepherd 20 Gerson

I already DFA's Owings for Chatham. I'd keep Weber for one more shot.

That's what trading prospects for proven vets is all about, and as you mentioned, we'll have to re-evaluate the deals in a few years. The other thing to think about is how many years of control Moncada, Logan and others will have with their teams vs the 3 years of Kimbrel & Sale and whatever you want to count Pomeranz's years as.

I don't disagree with anything here, but I will say that having a top 3 record team for 3 straight years makes drafting well pretty hard. Spending large, which is on DD and Ben's shoulders, also cuts down on international pool money and caused us to drop 10 slots in the draft once, from an already poor slot. I'm not defending DD on this, and other winning teams seem to draft better than us, but it's not as easy as it used to be back in Theo and Ben's days. BTW, the Cubs farm system is pretty weak, too, but Theo is still viewed as "the genius."

Yes, we hoped for 4-5 years of highly competitive teams, but we did get 3 years (2016-2018), and this year had a lot of hope going into the season. I share you view on the "reality" of the situation, and I knew a reckoning time was coming. I had hoped it might be after 2020, but it's looking more and more like the day is upon us. Again, I'm glad we won the ring in 2018, or this debate would be a lot more heated. I'm okay with paying a price for our success. I just hope we can keep the retool/rebuild period to a minimum. By spending close to the tax limit every year, we should never be all that bad. Those years under Ben were freakish.

True, but I like his chances more than DHern, Wright, Johnson & Velazquez combined.

1) I said "About" totally emptying our farm. We did not totally empty it. 2) I was never against trading some or even much of the farm for players under team control for 3+ years at a relatively low cost. 3) I was against the Kimbrel trade, despite expecting greatness for CK. I thought we gave up a lot and CK was being paid near top dollar at the time. Again, the trades worked, and I'm fine with the results. I like what DD did. He brought us ring, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he did or does. We are paying the price, now, but again, I'm fine with what happened and what is about to happen, because I know these are the dues we pay for the ring. To me, it's not all about what the players have done once traded away, and anyways many are years from their prime,so a comp now is fruitless. As for the CK trade, I'd love to have Margot and Logan, right now. We'd save millions off the JBJ contract and have Logan to fill Porcello's slot for next to free. We'd maybe not have the 2019 ring, though, so I'm not complaining. Really, I'm not. I'm just accepting the results of the trade that was made for a win now choice. We won. It worked. Now, we pay for it. I bought a house. I love it. I paid a price for it. I could have used that money for a lot of fun- both then and in the future, but I have no regrets. (BTW, we just paid off our 30 year mortgage in 11 years!)

Fine with that, but I want to see a little of Ockimey. We could DFA Cashner or Smith.

I'd do this... Call up.... Lakins Brewer Shawaryn Velazquez DFA> add this guy to the 40 man and call up Owings> Chatham Kelley> Dalbec Curletta> Ockimey

Rays squeak by. A's squeak by. Guardians squeak by. Twins win easily. One more day goes by.