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I don't fault him for it either, but I responding to trades "I'd take back."
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That's a very long stretch and a gaping hole in the system that doesn't seem to have been addressed.
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I liked the Thornburg trade, at the time, but I'd do that one over, too.
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9/08 SOX @ Phillies
moonslav59 replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Let's hope Dalbec is for real and not the next Middlebrooks. That HR to RF was mammoth! -
It was a spectacular year, and many of DD's "smaller moves" turned out to be as important, if not more important than the Kimbrel, Sale or Price moves. DD deserves all the props he gets. That was the greatest season in Sox history, if you take away the emotion from the curse-breaking 2004 season. To me, the cliff we are living, now, was well worth it. I'm glad we hired Theo, Ben and DD. I'm hopeful Bloom will join the club, but only time will tell.
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I'd say the value of Price is hard to measure. DD left Bloom with the full contract. What Bloom did with it can be measured separately. If Price sucks, Bloom "saved"us $15M a year. One can view the Price deal as part of the reason we traded Betts. The fact is, DD left Bloom with the whole Price contract, and a hell of a lot more money on the books in Price, Sale and Eovaldi than what HRam, Pando & Castillo. Sure, those 3 gave us nothing and even negative value, but the value of the three DD left us vs the cost can be viewed as worse in net value, or at least close to the same. It's not an easy comp, and I can't see either side being a slam dunk. On the farm value issue, there is no debate. Ben left DD a way better farm (on paper) than DD left Bloom.
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He'll certainly ask for more, but I doubt anyone gives much more than $15M/3 or $11M/2.
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True, but then maybe it's a bit too early to call some of his other dumpster dives failures.
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At the time of those deals, I said he was playing it "halfway," and I agree, he should have gone more towards youth and team controlled players. They did get Kelly in the Lackey deal, and he was controlled and very promising. We got Hembree and Escobar for Peavy. They were young. I do agree with your point.
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Quintanna was traded away shortly after Sale.
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Here's a look at the top prospects over the years: https://soxprospects.com/history.htm The October 2015 list included: 1. Moncada (Sale) 2. Devers 3. Margot (Kimbrel) 4. Beni 5. Guerra (Kimbrel) 6. Kopech (Sale) 7. Johnson 9. S Travis 10 Marrero (Josh Taylor) 11. Chavis 12. Basabe (Sale) 13. Allen (Kimbrel) 17. Marco H 18 Dubon (Thornburg)
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Sounds about right. I'd shoot for $9M/2 with a team option for $5M and a $1M buyout.
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I was only rating the bottom of our 40 man roster. Casas is not on the 40 man roster.
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I was clearly talking about only the money, as in bloated contracts handed over to the next GM.
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My guess is Chavis, Arauz & Lin all have a better chance of playing 2B or being our utility IF'er in 2021 than Chatham. Downs will likely pass him at some point in 2021 or early 2022.
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He did acquire the contract of Craig, though, but the deal also shed some money (Lackey), so it wasn't as bad as it looked. Although many of the prospects Ben handed over to DD have not looked all that great, at the time, they were rated highly and many brought back nice returns via trade due to that perceived value. The farm DD handed over to Bloom is so far below what Ben handed to DD, it's not even close. The bloated contracts look to be about even. DD handed over more money owed, but the players were not complete deadwoods like HanRam, Pablito & Castillo were.
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Yes, I admit I distorted it by calling 2019 part of "the cliff," but I did not distort the things Bell was talking about in this response. Near bare cupboards & bloated contracts handed over to Bloom.
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I didn't distort this. I never said Ben left DD more or worse bloated deals than DD left Bloom, but one could argue he did. DD left Bloom too many bloated contracts. That's not hyperbole or distortion.
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Time for a fire sale and 5 year rebuild?
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Many of the prospects DD traded away still have several years of team control left. Judging them, now, makes little sense. I will say that many have already shown they were not worth the hype and their control time is nearly up or their performance has not shown any signs of big league stuff. Guys like Espinoza have been hurt. Kopech may still produce, but he got hurt, too. Margot looked promising at the start of his ML career but has petered out, recently. These guys still look good or have a some decent promise: Moncada Kopech Dubon Buttrey Allen Maybe... Anderson, Bautista, Beeks, Lakins, Margot
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I don't either, but it was pretty bad and was the start of the slide towards the cliff. (Yes, it was hyperbole to call it part of the cliff.)
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I never said DD left worse contracts than Ben. That being said: DD to Bloom $31M x 3 Price $30M x 3 + $27.5M x 2 Sale $17M x 3 Eovaldi Ben to DD $22.8M x 3 HanRam $18M x 4 Pablito $11.7M x4 Castillo (not counted against tax) $10M x 2 Allen Craig I'm not so sure one is much worse than the other, but the jury is still out on some of DD's contracts.
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I remember reading it some where, but who knows if it's true.
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His numbers have not been good at all for the last year and a half, but he'd probably place 5th or 6th on our list of best ML ready & healthy pitchers, right now. That's not saying all that much, but he does look better than about 20 jabronis that have been on our staff, this year.
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Deivy Grullon, picked up off waivers by the Sox, has 46 HRs in 816 ABs in AAA & AA over the last 2.5 seasons. The .354 OBP in AAA is not bad, either.
