moonslav59

So? They back loaded Myers deal, so I'm not getting your point. The fact is Myers will be way overpaid going forward but still has the ability to earn some of it. Price is way overpaid and might earn a good chunk of it... or not. The trade simulator has them at about the same value, but with Myers having a much lower luxury tax cost than his actual cost, due to the back end starting in 2020, a deal might work for both teams.

Certainly, a lot of things came together, and the team really gelled around the "Boston Strong" emotions, but I'm tired of hearing outright falsehoods proclaimed over and over until most people believe them. The fact is, a small percentage of our team had top 3 seasons. Vic's and Pedey's high WARs were due mainly to top defense years, when most seem to remember everyone hit out of their norm that year. Nava & Salty had their best OPS in 2013- both were benched or saw their playing time greatly reduced in the playoffs. To claim we won because of those two is absurd. Uehara was a beast, no doubt, but even his out of this world season in 2013 was not really all that out of whack with his surrounding 3-4 seasons. Breslow? Really? Doubront? A Half a Buch? OPS 9th best Pedey 8th Papi 5th Drew 4th Napoli 3rd Vic & Ellsbury Middy fell off a cliff after 2012 and had way more PAs than Carp. Gomes was almost 100 points lower than 2012. The biggest stars of that era, Papi, Pedey, Ellsbury, Lester & Lackey did not have a top 2 year. Only Ellsbury & Pedey had top 3 based on bWAR. Look at fWAR Pedey 7.9 2011 6.4 2008 4.9 2016 4.9 2013 4.7 2009 4.3 2012 3.8 2014 3.7 2007 3.2 2010 Does 2013 really stand out? Chronologically... 6.4 2008 4.7 2009 3.2 2010 7.9 2011 4.3 2012 4.9 2013 3.8 2014 2.3 2015 4.9 2016

It's a far cry from your claim thagt most of the players had their career year or top 2-3 year. BTW, it was not Buch's best year. He started only 16 games. It was his 2nd best WAR year. Doubront had 2 full seasons- neither one all that great, but go ahead and call it a "career year". Salty was benched in the playoffs, so it's not like he led us to the ring with a career year. Breslow had some key moments, but he was not a top Sox player that year. Yes, several players did very well, but it's no where near "most". If you go by OPS and ERA+, once could argue more had down years compared to the rest of their careers.

Moreland was overpaid at $6M. Myers is set to make $22M.

The Hitters of 2013 (listed by most PAs- 250+): 2013 OPS .787 Pedey 9th best OPS/3rd best bWAR .781 Ellsbury 3rd best OPS/2nd best bWAR .959 Ortiz 8th best OPS/5th best bWAR .842 Napoli 4th best OPS/ 2nd best bWAR but 4th best oWAR .831 Nava best OPS/ 2nd best bWAR (better in 2013) .801 Victorino 3rd best OPS/best bWAR thanks to dWAR (6th best PAs) .77 S Drew 5th best OPS/ 2nd best bWAR .804 Salty Best OPS & bWAR- career year .696 Middy nope .771 Gomes nope So, total career years in 2013? 6 Uehara Vic Salty Nava Doubront Breslow

This is just plain wrong. Most players did not have their best year in 2013 or even their best season between 2012 and 2014. It's a hoax. Fake news. A witch hunt. It's worse than Pearl Harbor and even what they did to Jesus! The Pitchers (listed by IP) 2013 ERA+ 110 Lester 10th best ERA+ / 7th best bWAR yrs Was 2nd best season from 2012-2014 117 Lackey 7th best ERA+ in 11 yrs 05-16/ 6th best bWAR yr Was best from 2012-2014 90 Dempster 12th best ERA+/ 14th best bWAR (0.0) Retired after 2013-was better in 2012 95 Doubront only had 2 seasons with over 75 IP- 2013 was better The only starter with a career year in '13 w 4.32 ERA/1.429 WHIP- WOW! 237 Buchholz best ERA+ of career but only 16 starts/2nd best bWAR Best between 2012-2013 379 Uehara best ERA+ and bWAR, but had several great years WHIP: 0.565 in '13, 0.639 in '12, 0.723 in '11, 0.917 in '14 & '15 131 Tazawa 3rd best ERA+/2nd best bWAR 2nd best (peaked in 2012: bWAR 1.7>1.1>0.8>0.5>0.3) 102 Peavy 9th best ERA+/ 11th best bWAR 229 Breslow best career bWAR (1.6) 84 Workman 4th best out of 5 years 85 Aceves 5th best in 7 yrs 158 Miller LOL bWAR 2012-2017 (0.7>0.4>1.9>2.4>3.7>3.1) 48 Webster- nope 78 Mortenson- nope 111 Bailey- nope 85 Wilson- double nope 90 Morales - nope (Let's nor forget Hanrahan, who was going to be our closer before getting hurt

I think I had us getting Barnes and giving enough cash back to even it out.

Of some guys speculating or facts about actual deals in the works. Look, I've made a few suggested trades on the trade simulator that includes Betts, Price and Pollock, but we get more back than that. We aren't getting Seager for Betts straight up, so including Price is going in the wrong direction from reality. Something like Betts & Price for Pollock, Maeda & Downs is likely closer to reality.

Yes, I saw this story, but Swihart said MLB.com reported it as if it were a fact. This story seems to be about speculation.

Do you have a link?

One could argue Betts & Price for Pollock & someone like Downs is similar to the AGon deal.

While a lot went right, the whole "luck" claim in a myth. Yes, many players had up years, buy more had better years in 2012 or 2014.

Where did you hear this?

Then no trade. It's one year of Betts at about $28M. The Dodgers have a lot of players and prospects I'd like. There's no need to demand just one guy, especially when he's not even the most valuable one.

Lets wait to see before using the idiot word.

Wow, it's been that long? As you age, you lose track of dates.

No way we trade Betts & Price for Pollock alone. I would not trust that story. Betts is no AGon, but I guess one could compare this situation to the last Dodger dump, where we got nothing back, really.

You know, I said this exact thing after the selloff in 2012. I thought we played it halfway, or "build from the middle" as you put it, yet we won it all in 2013. I do think trading for young ML players is a better plan than trading for prospects, but we have to get the finances in order, first. How well we pull that off can make or break a quick rebuild.

DD is like the Billy Martin of GMs.

I stopped paying attention to the Globe sports page long ago.

Sorry, my bad. The last laughs on me. Let's move on. I've already argued way too long on an issue I have no opinion on other than we don't know.

About players not wanting to play here due to DD's relationship skills in the FO? I'm literally laughing out load.

Sorry, but I think that is totally unsubstantiated. Players will always come to the teams who pay the most. You sound so sure of yourself on some very murky issues.

He's never been wrong? I quit my subscription to the Globe over him and the gang. (Besides, I'm not saying Gammons is wrong. I'm just saying we don't know what reasons carried the most weight.)

Wall of silence? Henry was publicly saying DD would be extended, according to your earlier post.