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Soxprospects.com has these projected rosters for 2022 and 2023 (assuming no acquisitions and with appropriate disclaimers): 2022 2023 Sale-Sale Eovaldi-Song/Zeferjahn Mata-Mata Ward-Ward Groome-Groome DHern-DHern (Closer) Houck>> Taylor>> Brasier>> Feltman>> Shugart>> AYbar>> Osich-Bello Mazza-Murphey/ARamirez Vaz>Wong Casas>> Downs>> Bogey>> Devers>> Beni>Duran Duran>Jimenez Verdugo>> JD>Dalbec Bench: Wong>Pereda Chavis>> Chatham>> Peraza/Lin>Lin Dalbec>Cannon Wilson>Wilson To see 2024 and 2025, too, click here: https://soxprospects.com/future.htm

Thanks. People sometimes call me the "copy and paste" king, but I mostly do all this from scratch.

Thanks. I did mention Jordan as "fringe," and it would be great if he moves up the list.

You are correct, but I think I was thinking more on the lines of who we should keep to build towards a competitive team 2-3 years down the line. It's not that I would not trade Casas or Downs for the right player(s), but they have the best shot at being key players for us down the line than others I listed.

To me, anyone can or might be traded, and I'm sure my views on who should be kept unless blown away by an offer differs from Bloom & Co. Here is what I consider the core of our future. It does not mean these players are off limits, but all are under team control for 3 or more years, unless noted. 3B Devers SS Bogaerts OF Verdugo 1B Casas 2B Downs SP Sale (likely not tradeable right now) P DHernandez, Mata, Ward Fringe: Positional: Dalbec, Arroyo, Arauz, Jimenez, Lugo, Duran, Chavis, Yorke, Jordan, Chatham, Wong Pitchers: Song, Taylor, Groome, Valdez, Houck 2 or less years (2021 & 2022) FA after 2020: JBJ, Workman, Pillar FA after 2021: Pedey, ERod, Moreland, Perez, Barnes, Hembree FA after 2022: JD, Beni, Vaz, Eovaldi, Peraza, Plawecki on 40 man roster but expendable: Positional: Lin, Wilson Pitchers: Walden, Brasier, Brewer, Weber, Triggs, Hall, Osich, Hart, Aybar, Godley, Brice, Springs, Covey, Stock

The trade simulator accepted this wild deal: Bogey, Chavis, Hembree & Eovaldi to SF Ramos (OF prospects valued at 31.0), Yastremski, Dubon & Crawford (No valuable pitchers in return could be found.)

I offered Beni, Chavis and Hembree.

It might be a bigger crap shoot than normally, but it has to help to be picking 1-3 in every round.

Good to see you here, Maz. Yes, pitching, pitching and then, more pitching. The return of Sale may help late 2021 or 2022. ERod and Eovaldi may help. A major pick-up should happen this winter or next summer/winter- maybe 2. We have 4-6 gaping holes for 2021, but we also have $70-90M to spend and Pedey's deal going away, soon.

We'll be in the playoffs by 2022, if the virus or climate hasn't done us in by then.

Not a bad idea, but if we see someone we think is the real deal, and looks better than any FAs from the following year, we may want to pounce on one.

Hmm... The Red Sox are set to add first base prospect Triston Casas to their 60-man player pool, Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com reports. He’ll head to their alternate site. As Cotillo notes, Boston’s pool is at capacity, so it’ll have to make a corresponding move once Casas is officially part of it.

Yes, rebuilding the farm takes time and is much more difficult than it was under Theo, when supplemental picks seemed designed for richer teams, top players fell in the draft due to signability issues and Int'l signings were not restricted. Many of us tried to say rebuilding the farm was not likely going to happen under DD. 1. We were winning "now" and so our draft picks were lower. 2. We were trading tons of prospects almost every year. 3. The rules changed to hurt big spenders and winners. We were both. 4. We got caught cheating and lost a year of Int'l signings- an area we used to do well. I actually think we've done a good job, considering where we drafted and under this new system. We still are no where near as strong as we were under Theo and Ben, but we are better than we were 1-2+ years back. The farm got better with the Betts trade, and we should improve with next year's draft. Most of our best prospects are 2-3 years away, so maybe we should shoot for respectability in 2021, competitiveness in 2022 and ring competition in 2023 or 2024.

I agree. I do think we'll at least get close to the tax limit in 2021. We do want fans to be in the seats and people watching on NESN. It might make more sense to hold off on the tax for one more year, but we could still spend big on players who will be under team control beyond 2021. We could also free up some salary by trading JD or other big ticket players that don't look to be part of our longer term plans (2022 and beyond). For example, we could trade JD & Eovalid and sign Bauer and Springer. We'd still be way under the tax, so we could add a few mid level players, which is what Bloom may be best at acquiring. Then, go large again after 2021 and go $19.9M over the tax,

"We will rebuild the farm." "Henry will spend what is needed." "There is too much money at stake to allow us to suck for even a year." "There will be no cliff."

LOL. Finding optimism in 0-162. I like it.

I'd say no, but if they view the rebuild as a two year thing, they may end up under, next year. It also may depend on what free agents are available, and if they view their price tags as worthy. I think they will go large this winter, and Bllom may have a mandate to stay under the second luxury tax level, which I think is $20M over. That would give us close to $90M to spend- maybe $80-85 to keep some room for the deadline. $85M could maybe be spent like this: $28M SP $18M Closer $17M SP $10M RP $8M CF $4M SP Or, we try to get Bauer & Springer and fill-ins for the rest.

No doubt. There aren't really all that many pluses. Verdugo, Mitch, Pillar & maybe Valdez

It was a sad sight. It's hard to watch. (A very steep and immediate decline= cliff.)

The fate was sealed before all this. We called it "the cliff."

Agreed. At best, we may see this: $25M/yr SP $15M Closer $13M/yr SP $7M RP $6M CF $4M SP $70M total - still under the tax We could add about $20M and stay under the second threshold.

We could spend a ton of money, this winter and get more than just a SP'er.

If we trade Barnes & Hembree, we'll have over $70M to spend this winter, and stay under the Lux Tax. If we are okay with going over by less than $20M, we could have about $92M to spend. $25M/yr SP $15M Closer $13M/yr SP $10M CF $10M RP $7M SP $80M total

The Astros proved it makes a difference.

This may be the soonest I’ve ever started this yearly thread. Our 2020 team is on pace for the worst winning percentage in team history. It was not really unexpected. The cliff was real, and it is here, now. That being said, I think we have a pretty solid core to build around, and if Henry opens the checkbook, this winter, we may be able to turn this around much more quickly than many expect it might take. Our 40 man roster is about the weakest from 20-40 as I’ve ever seen, but our farm improved a little with the Betts trade and some growth by a few of our prospects. I’m not seeing much help for 2021 from the farm, however. Most of our best prospects are 1.5 to 3+ years away. Here is a breakdown of what we are looking at for 2021 (and beyond): Budget in Lux Tax Dollars: 25.0 Sale 22.0 JD 20.0 Bogey 17.0 Eovaldi 16.0 Price ($ to LAD) 13.8 Pedroia 5.00 Beni 4.51 Vaz Options: 6.25 Perez ($500K buyout) 3.0 Moreland ($500K buyout) ARB Players (2020 pay) 8.3 ERod -last arb 3.0 Barnes -last arb 2.9 Peraza -2 arbs left 1.61 Hembree -last arb 0.90 Plawecki - 2 more 0.85 J Osich -2 more 0.70 D Covey -3 more 0.69 DEVERS -1st of 3 left 0.58 Brasier -1st of 3 left 0.57 Brice -1st of 3 left Free Agents after 2020: 11.0 JBJ 4.25 Pillar 3.50 Workman Cots Estimated Luxury Tax Total for 2021: $141.6M ($68.4M under the threshold). Assuming all options are given and all arb players are kept, here is what we are looking at for 2021: 40 Man Roster C: Vazquez, Plawecki 1B: Moreland, Chavis 2B: Peraza, Arauz, Pedroia (60 day IL) 3B: Devers, Dalbec, C Arroyo SS: Bogaerts, Chatham, Lin LF: Benintendi CF: (Acquisition)/Duran is rule 5 after 2021 RF: Verdugo DH: Martinez SP: Sale (60 day IL), Eovaldi, ERod, Perez, Weber, Godley SP: Mazza, Shawaryn, Hart, Stock RP: Barnes, D Hern, Taylor, Hembree, Walden, Osich, Valdez, Brice RP: Hall, Covey, Gonsalves, Springs Possible Rule 5 additions: Mata, Downs, Houck, C Wong I’d say our top priority, positional acquisitions might be: SP (Ace) SP (strong #3 type) Closer CF RP RP 4th OF SP depth Projected 26 Man Roster: C: Vaz & Plawecki 1B: Moreland & Dalbec (Chavis traded) 2B: Peraza & Arauz 3B: Devers & Arroyo SS: Bogey LF: Beni CF: _____ RF: Verdugo DH: JD SP: ______, Eovaldi, ERod, _____, Perez RP: ______, Barnes, _____, DHern, Hembree, _____, Walden Let the discussion begin...