moonslav59

Also, trading players that are doing well.

I totally disagree. They bent over backwards to give him multiple chances to prove he belonged- way more than his performance ever showed he deserved. He ran out of options and was forced to the 25 man roster when not good enough to earn enough playing time to prove himself, but he kept failing at every opportunity he got, except that very first one as our #1 catcher before maybe he was really ready..

Then, after failing, they gave him a shot at another position. More spit.

Can we finally lay the "Blake never got a real chance" argument to rest? Swihart DFA'd by Rangers. (BTW, we gave Swihart way more chances than he ever earned.)

Sox on MLBTR's top 50 trade deadline list: 9. Pillar 14. Barnes 18. Vaz 29. JD 48. Moreland

That's my man!

I do think he bailed on Ben a year too early, but Ben had long enough to lay the groundwork for DD's farm gut.

Dempster wasn't all that cheap. Lucky he retired early.

I think, if Bloom sees a player he really wants, he may sign him for a longer term deal with eyes on 2022 and beyond, but since 2021 will likely be a wasted cost, that player would have to really be a gem in Bloom's eyes.

Some prospects are in the pools, though, or they can be added, right?

Yes. I wonder what the odds are at finding someone like Perez at $6M? I'd bet rather low.

I understand the bold font. My eyes are failing me, too. I'm all for trading anyone that can help us in the long run, but I'm just not sure about Beni. His stock is low, right now, and I'm thinking we may get moire for him by waiting. I'd certainly enteratin offers. Maybe some GM sees his value differently or thinks they know how to fix his issues.

Even if it means trading him at his all time lowest value?

I also said, at one point, something like, "we should trade everyone who will be a FA after 2020 and maybe 2021 for the best we can get, even if it's not as good as we'd like." I guess that could be interpreted as wanting to trade Perez for scraps, if that's the best we are offered, but I think someone has or will offer something valuable for him. Valuable enough is subjective. I'm not for handing Perez away, but I do think trading him now for the best we can get, regardless of what it is, makes some sense.

I wondered the same thing.

I loved the Chris Sale trade, as everyone knows. We gave up a lot to get him, and the CWS deserved a lot in return. Remember, we should not count the Sale extension as part of the trade. I'd say, at this point, both sides did well in the trade. Yes, one could argue we would have, probably would have or likely would have won without Sale, but I would not be so sure. Plus, to win a ring, GMs often have to go for the overkill, knowing some moves will not pan out, but enough will. In hindsight, it's easy to point out this one or that one as not being essential, and be totally correct, but Monday morning quarterbacking is always easy. I've always believed DD went overboard, but if he won a ring, it would be worth it. We did, and it was. It would be hard for me to piss on DD now that the cliff is here. I knew what the sacrifice made was and was okay with it contingent on a ring. It sucks, now, but the piper needed to be paid. I think Bloom is the right guy for the new job facing us. It's not an easy task. He's starting from a place no other Sox GM has started from since before Dan Duquette. He deserves some extra slack, IMO. He should be given a 5 year plan, but he's likely expected to compete in 2-3 years and seriously compete in 3-4 years. Is that fair? Probably not, but being and judging a GM is hardly ever "fair."

Yes, the risk is lowered, immensely. I can see Bloom going down the 1-2 year deal road a lot in the next year or two, but maybe when we feel we are 1 or tow key players away from being a top contender, he will pounce on a large and long free agent or two. I guess, if he feels the right guy is there, this winter, he may make a pre-emptive strike and go big, early, but who knows. Another good thing about these shorter deals is that, if a few do really well, their trade value is pretty high due to low long term risk for the buyer.

Nobody ever wants to trade players when they have a lot of promise or are coming off a great year. Then, when they struggle, people (I'm not talking about you) want to trade them. It's like to opposite of buy low-sell high. It's hard to know much other GMs value Beni. I'd listen to offers, but it might be worth waiting and hoping he gets hot and raises his value. (Note: I do not think a player's values goes up or down much at all based on small sample size slumps or hot streaks.)

It would be great for Duran to make an impact. I've not been that high on him, but I'm no expert on prospects. I'm counting on a few to fill in some roles and bench positions. Anything else will be a bonus, IMO. I am counting on more from our farm by 2022 and beyond. Who those players will be is the question.

Throwing hard curves might be harder on the arm than throwing 94 for 20 years.

From 1960-1979, there were 30 pitchers with 2,500+ IP (This does not count pitchers who got more than that in other time frames that overlapped these arbitrary dates. 57 pitchers had over 2,000 IP. 12 had over 3,400 IP! From 2000-2019, there were 17 pitchers with over 2,500 IP and 44 with over 2,000. Only CC Sabathia had over 3,400 IP. It appears that about 12-13 pitchers were iron men back from 1960-1979. If you take them away, the rest of the numbers are pretty close. (Also, there are more teams and more pitchers from 2000-2019 than there was from 1960-1979 dues to expansion.)

I'm not for trading them for a bag of balls. They both are doing well and are not being paid much. I think it's safe to say, we could get a decent prospect or player with 2-3+ years of control beyond 2020.

I don't think Chavis will ever have a chance at being our 2Bman in a championship season. His best shot is as a platoon 1B/DH and back up 2B/3B.

We can sign Moreland and Perez after 2021.

True, but nobody pitches over 240 IP every year or even 220 IP for 10 years, like many did in the past.