moonslav59
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This trade was accepted, but I doubt the Dodgers say yes: Betts, Price, Chavis, Duran & $9M for Pollock, Maeda, Gonsolin, Downs & Cartaya or Pollock, Kelly, Ruiz, Gonsolin & Ferguson
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Assuming the simulator is close to being correct, which do you prefer? A) Price, Betts and $18M for Pederson ($6M a year x 3 yrs) Price, Betts and $5.3M for Pederson & Kelly C) Price, $3.7M & Betts for Pollock, Gonsolin & Cartaya D) Price, $2M & Betts for Pollock, Kelly, Gonsolin, Cartaya, Busch & Beaty Plan A does only cost us $6M a year after Joc is gone in 2021 & 2022, but we basically get nothing but salary relief for Betts, unless Joc lead us to a 2020 ring. Plan B just gets us the hope Kelly rebounds and a player instead of just paying cash, but it's still just a salary dump. Plan C gets us two nice young players, but we pay Pollock $12M x 3 years on the Lux tax. (Plan A was $6M x 3, though.) Plan D gets us 4 young players but Pollock & Kelly cost us about $20M for 2020 & 2021 and $12M for 2022- still better than paying Price $31M x 3.
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The hope is 2019 was the outlier not 2018. (Note: I'm not drinking the strong contender Kool-Aid, but I've not given up hope, either.)
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Who is the greatest under-the-radar player in Sox history?
moonslav59 replied to Northern Star's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I've heard all the names. My final list might be: 1. Uehara (3rd string closer to start 2013.) 2. Mueller (THE MAN!) 3. Carbo (That 3 run HR in the bottom of the 8th...) 4. Daubach (Working man's player.) 5. Nava (We got this guy for a dollar from the Independent League.) -
If Betts gets $36M, we're talking $75M for those 3 players, and almost $155M for just 6 guys (Betts, Price, Sale, Bogey, JD & Eovaldi). That's about 75% of a budget at the tax line.
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The cliff is here. Even if we dump Price, JBJ and Eovaldi, we will still likely be in the top 5 or 6 spending teams with very little hope ate evn making the WC play-in game in 2020. Thank God we won in 2018, or the tone here on this site would be intolerable.
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Cartaya might be a better C option. We might get him with Gonsolin or Gray instead of just Ruiz.
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Including Kelly helps, but that was not part of the original comp between Joc and Pollock. I doubt the Dodgers kick in those prospects unless we add a lot of money. Taking back Pollock, to me, seems like the best way to get more from LA. It saves them money over 3 years- the length of Price's deal.
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Maybe not $39.9Mover the line, but yes, why not?
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What's the advantage? A 2020 ring? We'll be better off spending large in 2021 than not.
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We need to save $19M to reset- more based on what some sources claim. JBJ needs to go, too.
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And save $19M?
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We are not going to get someone to pay $18-20M/yr for Price. We have to trade Price and JBJ to reset and keep Betts for 2020. I'm fine with that, but only if we end up keeping Betts. Losing Betts and getting nothing in return is the worst case scenario and badly hurts our rebuilding timetable. I want Betts in the Sox future as much or more than anyone, but I think the fixation on trying for one last gasp in 2020 and projection the appearance that we will be strong 2020 contenders may slow or prevent us from getting back on top in the next 3-5 years. I'm thinking we should probably look to shorten the down time to as little as maybe one year by resetting, getting what we can for 1 year players and then going back to spending large in 2021 by bringing back Betts along with other key signings and trades that may get us back to being high contenders in 1-2 years not 3-5, if that. It's not an easy choice to make, and there's a lot of complexities to consider.
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He'd have to have a big year in 2020 to get someone to pay enough to make up the difference. If he does have a nice 2020 season, then we'll have a lot to replace. Betts's raise will likely be 75% of what we save when JBJ bolts.
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Rising arb costs and resigning or replacing Betts would disallow a reset in 2021.
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If we are looking to be contenders in 2021 and beyond, we can use all the help we can get. The IFA market used to be a big reason our farm was good to great. HRam & Anibal Sanchez (Got us Beckett & Lowell) Doubront Dice-K Okajima Tazawa Bogaerts Iggy (Got us Peavy) Montas J Aro Lin Matgot (Helped get us Kimbrel) G Bautista (Helped get us A Reed) Devers D Hernandez Moncada (Helped us get Sale) Espinoza (Got us Pomeranz) Since we got DD: Hector Velazquez
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He was also lying about how and when he got hurt, and the Sox did not challenge that. Nomar was a minus defender at a critical position. He was a cancer in the clubhouse. He needed to go. We needed a real SS. We got one: we won.
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Yes, but resetting in 2020 would help us spend large in 2021 without hurting the IFA money, right?
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He's better, mainly because he has just one year left. The financial offset is not enough to entice the Dodgers to 1) say yes 2) include something else useful. This is not an option: Betts + Price for Joc alone. If we trade Betts + Price for Pollock or Joc, we might as well trade JBJ, JD and Workman, too. Shoot for 2021 by maybe bring back Betts (JD?) or spending large elsewhere. To me, we are barely a contender in 2020, as is. Trading Betts tilts the balance to me thinking it's best to just trade all short term players and look to 2021 and beyond.
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Nomar was not our best player in 2004. Betts is our best player, today.
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What about IFA pool money?
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Nomar was far from being our best player, at the time of the trade.
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It would be the quickest and surest way to get back on top, but too many fans might revolt. We could look to bring Betts & maybe JD back in 2021. The hardest one to part with, to me, would be Betts and ERod. Here are the 1 & 2 year control players: 1 Betts JBJ Workman JD (opt out likely) 2 Pedroia (not trading) ERod Barnes Hembree 3 (Not a big part of 2022 plans) Price Eovaldi JD (if no opt out)
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Good but not highly competitive with Joc in RF over Betts.
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That loss to Michigan killed us. We keep playing the hardest opponent real close but lose, then lose a game we should win. I'm not sure we'll ever get back on top with all the academic restrictions we have these days.
