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Any thoughts on Taveras?
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Think of what we get for $28M on the tax budget ($14M x 2 yrs). Barria is just 24, pre-arb and had a 1.113 WHIP, this year. Mayers may be a flash, but he had a nice season at 0.900 WHIP and a 2.10 ERA (12.9K/9 seems out of the blue)
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Which is not perfect but is a nice reference to use as a foundation for suggesting possible deals.
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I think the site does a pretty good job with the values, but of course teams have different needs and ways of evaluating talent on their own teams and other teams. Nobody is suggesting any accpeted trade means it would even be considered by GMs from either or even both teams.
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The trade simulator accepted this: Eovaldi & JD to LAA Upton (salary dump), Barria and Mayers Upton is owed $53M/2 and counts for $21M/yr on the tax line. JD is owed $39M/2 and Eovldi $34M/2 and their tax numbers are $22M/yr and $17M/yr ($49M total) LAA pays $20M more than Upton costs, but we save $28M on taxes. We could even pay some cash to offset it by more. I'm not sure LA trades two nice and young arms for two players they may not even want, but I'm sure they love to dump Upton and get something worthwhile. It also accepted Eovaldi for Odor and Taveras (pre arb OF'er) from the Rangers. We save $9M on the lux tax line, but the actual money is only $4.7M more a year for TX. Odor is near useless to them. We fill our CF slot (mixed defensive metrics), take a flyer on Odor at 2B and add $9M a year to our tax budget.
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Maybe some hyperbole, there, but several thought including Price in the deal and paying $16M was bad for us and good for LA. Here are some quotes from way back when the trade was made: Then keep Price. He’s worth a lot to the Sox if they want to be competitive. Hint: they don’t want to be.- MVP Am I the only one who thinks this is an awful trade? We are still on the hook for half of Price's contract. I'd rather keep price than paying half of his contract to go elsewhere.-redsoxrules I was more confident of Price and Sale rebounding than I am of the prospects for the team after this trade. They just waved the white flag of surrender before playing a single game.- 700 the guy who hoped Price would not opt out.) There were more, but I'm tired of looking back.
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Some were furious with his inclusion in the deal, so I thought it was safe to assume they felt the Dodgers were getting a bargain at "just" $16M a year.
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Money should not be an issue with the Sox on getting the manager they want. The only way it may come into play is if there are 2-3 guys they like equally, then they may look at the money. I hope we bring Cora back. You all know why. If we don't, I won't be terribly upset, as long as we get a good one. I trust in Bloom. -
Maybe, but they also gave up Verdugo, Downs and Wong for 60 games of Betts not 150+ AND, according to many here, they missed out on 1 year of Price at the bargain rate of "just" $16M. If that was indeed a "bargain," they lost on the COVID influence.
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The reason we paid less does not change the fact that the trade looks better, now.
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Exactly, but I doubt the Rangers do that.
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Maybe the "more durable" pitcher costs more than Eovaldi, if it's a 1-1 trade. Maybe the pitcher isn't as good, but he's more durable. My idea was actually thinking we'd add money or a player to get a more durable pitcher back, but that's just one way (see previous email).
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Because maybe they like Eovaldi or the payer we add to the deal more, or we get a 2Bman or CF not a pitcher, and that team has a glut of players at the position we need. (Then, we fill the pitching gap via free agency.) Let's say a team really likes Beni and thinks Eovaldi is helpful, too. They just don't want to pay $17M. If they think Eovaldi is worth $10M, they may dump $7M back at us at a position we need. If it's a pitcher, the added value of Beni gets us a better, cheaper or more durable pitcher than Eovaldi. If it's another position player, the money saved could be used to upgrade other gaps.
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So what, offer double? Cora may not want to come back. Look,I'm Cora's biggest supporter, but if we try and miss out,so be it. I won't blame Chaim.
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I wasn't aware we tried to get Beni to swing harder. I thought it was his choice. One idea might be to trade Eovaldi for another big salary but someone who is more durable or slightly cheaper.
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Skinny chance. Improved our longer term chances immensely.
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Call it that, if you wish.
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I get that, but we did not have to pay $16M. The Dodgers did not either, but they got no IP from him. His "opt out" helped us- here or not, but that doesn't mean the deal doesn't look better. Just like losing only 60 games from Betts, instead of 150+.
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We ended up not paying $16M out of the $48M. I'd say that makes the deal look better. It might be better financially for LAD, but they missed having him play.
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Well, we saved a ton, this year. That's a known.
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...and how well or poorly Price does.
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Well, if Beni is the 2020 Beni, what's to replace? Yes, Eovaldi was second in IP for us, this year, but who know what to expect in 2021. I get the risk, but keeping them is a big risk, too... and a known cost.
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It has to be viewed as a win for us. The shortened season made losing Betts more bearable. Verdugo looks like a keeper. Yes, Downs and Wong could be bonuses. I know I have people that disagree, but dumping half of Price's contract will be a plus, too.
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Yes, and with Mookie having just one year left, had we kpet him and reset in 2021, we'd have gotten nothing for Betts but a comp pick.
