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I'dc prefer keeping Verdugo in RF, too, but he'd be fine in CF. Here's the plus about Kingery: although he's owed $20M/3, his luxury tax number is just $4M. We could probably get Philly to pay us $4M a year and get him for nothing. I'm not sure about Inciarte & Fowler, either. Kiermaier has negative trade value, and is still a plus defender in CF. We could probably get him and Fairbanks for a B level prospect. We could maybe get something better with him by giving TB Duran.
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Money freed to spend elsewhere.
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... and please don't say Springer.
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If healthy, I believe Paxton is better than Porcello, but likeI said, it's a toss-up. Neither would be a significant difference maker. (BTW, Paxton did start 57 games from 2018-2019.)
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+ the chances Sale contributes significantly is higher in 2022 than 2021. (We also lose Pedey's contract.)
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Signing all 4 would not make us a top contender in 2021.It would also put us significantly over the tax line in 2021, and all will probably get 2+ year deals. I'm not against this plan. I'd probably sub a cheaper CF option for JBJ, but this is something I think we may end up doing.
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Of course I prefer a durable pitcher, but if he's not very good, he won't take us any farther in 2021 than maybe the wild card slot we already have a shot at. Signing a guy like Paxton, gives us a better chance at going farther in in 2021 than Porcello would, depending on his health. To be honest, I don't want Paxton or Porcello, unless they are on 1 year deals. It's a coin toss. (Lester on a 1 year deal might be better than both.) I'd be okay with signing Odorizzi, but I'm afraid he may cost too much and get too many years. He's not really a #5 starter, so signing him doesn't go against my build a rotation from the top or middle philosophy.
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True. For one year deals, signing injury prone SP'ers is not a big gamble. especially when our chances of winning a ring in 2021 are pretty slim.
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I think we are expecting help from 2-3 players like Downs, Mata, Dalbec, Houck, Ward, Groome by 2022. I do think our chances look better in 2022 than 2021. One would think the chances are Sale is better in 2022 than 2021. I think we should look for a significant longer term addition or two this winter but also fill in some slots with shorter term deals that can be replaced and upgraded when we make the stronger push in 2022. We can try to make the playoffs, this year, but going for it all would mean signing Bauer and/or trading away a few top prospects. I don't think you are for either, are you?
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Porcello is durable but just not all that good.
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What evidence is needed to prove we are and will be among the biggest spenders in MLB? We were last year, even with the re-set, and project to be, this year too. I bet we are going to spend more than 20 teams, this winter- maybe more. That'son top of already being a top 6 or 8 spending team, as we speak.
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So, we trade Vaz to Philly for Abel and something else (maybe more, if we take on Kingery's deal). Then, we trade Wong plus Abel or Ward & Groome to Pitt for Frazier &N Stallings.
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I agree. My biggest splash, this year, might be Taillon, but he only has 2 more years of control.
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I can't see us winning in 2022 or 2023 without adding an excellent SP'er to the rotation. Counting on Sale, Eovaldi and ERod to hit the trifecta in any given year is a long shot. Name 2 adequate starters: Odorizzi & Paxton/Walker/Lester? I'm not sure they'd take short deals, and I'm not sure I want them on long deals.
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I mentioned 1 year deals that would bridge us to the hopeful return of Sale and maybe even ERod & Eovaldi's better chances at doing well in 2022 more than 2021. Then, as you suggested, we make the big splash SP'er addition. Yes, it wouldn't hurt to add a durable SP'er, now, that could help in 2022 and maybe beyond, but that could be something we do in 2022, as well. I'm not seeing many capable and durable SP'ers on the market, right now, and I'm not big on building a winning rotation by seeking out good 5th starters.
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Of course, they don't verbalize their strategy, but if we acquire one big name and a 2-3 decent role players, we actually can be competitors for a wild card slot in 2021. Our eyes would still be on not making any major deals that may hurt our chances in 2022 or 2023 and beyond.
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2 separate deals could amount to the same thing.
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We may look for 1 year deals like these guys or other more durable but not spectacular pitchers to bridge us to the time frame you are talking about: 2022 or 2023 and beyond.
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I'm all for looking more longterm, but I think Sox management wants to give the impression we can compete in 2021 as we build up for bigger and better things for 2022 and beyond. If we can trade for a pitcher with 3+ years of control, it's worth looking into. It won't be easy.
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That Hosmer signing really bit them in the arse.
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Don't stop: you're on a roll!
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Word is Pitt is trying to move Stallings ©, Frazier (2B) and a SP'er Musgrove or Taillon. If we can get a third team involved (Philly? STL?) that will send prospects to Pitt along with maybe 1 or 2 second tier prospects from us, maybe we can get what we need without leaving a gaping hole at catcher.
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STL also has quite a few salary dump players that could be added to make the return much less. STL has a lot of underwater contratcs. Philly has 2Bman Kingery (17.7) or McCutchen (-18.0). I'm not sure how much they'd give us to take on one of those deals. The trade value site accepted these trades: 3WAY BOS: Bader & Fowler from STL Taillon, Stallings & Frazier from PITT STL: Vaz & Beni Pitt: Chatham, Bello & Groome from BOS Herrera & Woodford from STL ______________________ BOS: Kiermaier, Anderson & Manchan PHI: Vaz & Beeks TB: Abel, Bello & Flores ______________________ 2 WAY BOS: Eflin, Abel, Matchan, McCutchen or Kingery PHI: Vaz, Pivetta & Beni ______________________ BOS: Hasely, Marchan, V Velasquez PHI: Vazquez ______________________ BOS: Bader, Hudson, Fowler, Knizner STL: Vaz, Beni, Ward, Groome, Pivetta ______________________ BOS: Bader, Herrera, Knizner & Fowler STL: Vaz, Beni & Groome ______________________ Not accepted: Vaz for Kingery, Hasely, Abel, Marchan & $3M
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Do they use WAR and projected WAR? If yes, bWAR or fWAR.
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I doubt Vaz goes to TB. Philly maybe.
