moonslav59

Okay, give em Marcus Wilson. Kiermaier has negative value. They'd take Wilson straight up with no cash involved in a heartbeat. Kiermaier is going to be almost 40% of the Rays' player budget. We could just sign JBJ for less than what Kiermaier makes and keep Arauz & Bello. The idea is that the Rays will have to give something good with Kiermaier just to make the package a net zero cost.

$26M/2 for a guy like Kiermaier is not something they want. $13M might be 40% of their 2021 player salary budget. It seems obvious to me, they want to give him away.

Waiting too long has its risks as well. I'm hoping some good players wait too long, and Bloom swoops in to snag some real good bargains.

Maybe Arauz & Bello for Kiermaier & Fairbanks might work.

We've really struck out on IFAs for quite some time, now. I'm not sure we lost out on anything. Quick! Who is the best IFA we've signed since Moncada (March 2015)? Juan Chacon (JUL '19)? Eduardo Lopez (JUL '18)? Daniel Flores (JUL '17 RIP)? Gilberto Jimenez (AUG '17)? Hector Velazquez (Feb '17)? Bryan Mata (Jan '16)?

Would you be happy with... Odorizzi (SP) Hernandez (2B/CF) Hand & Bradley (RP)? (I would, especially if we were able to then trade Arauz for Kiermaier & Fleming.) Sale, Eovaldi, Odorizzi, ERod, Pivetta/Fleming/Houck Hand, Bradley, Barnes, Brasier, D Hern, Taylor, Brice/Whitlock/Andriese/Valdez Vazquez, Plawecki Dalbec, Chavis Hernandez, Arroyo (Downs) Devers (Munoz) Bogaerts (Chatham) Beni/Renfroe Kiermaier (Duran) Verdugo (Puello/Gettys) Martinez

Hernandez can play CF, too.

It looks like they really want to deal Bryant, so I'm thinking he's the last on that list. 1Bman seem to be a dime a dozen, so I'm not sure they go large & long with him. I think they keep Baez, if any of the 3.

I'm pretty sure TB does not want to pay him the rest of his contract. He has an option for 2023, so he's owed this: $26M/2 or $36.5M/3 The tax hit is only about $8.9M, so there's a little break there. My guess is, they'd take someone like Marcus Wilson or Arauz, but according to BTV, TB would owe us about $11-12M or a player of that value to balance it out. The BTV site accepts Kiermaier & Fleming for Arauz. I'd prefer something like Arauz & Bello for Kiermaier & Yarbrough (also accepted). (Nick Anderson and Pete Fairbanks are pre-arb,so they are not likely available.)

I always pronounced it Bone-Ah- FEE- dess- not that I've verbalized the word all that often.

Yes, that was a big stain on his Sox tenure, along with the Castillo IFA signing.

Exactly, in fact their draft picks, even when high ones, are not as good as several other teams did with lower picks. This was true even before Bloom. I used to visit the site raysprospects.com, but it ended in 2014. We thought Theo was the master at acquiring comp picks, but the Rays once had 12 of the top 89 picks (2011). 10 were comp or supplemental picks. However, how many turned out great or even good? 2011 TBR draft: 24. Taylor Guerrieri 31. Mikie Mahtook 32. Jake Hager 38. Brandon Martin 41. Tyler Goeddel 42. Jeff Ames 52. Blake Snell 56. Kes Carter 59. Grayson Garvin 60. James Harris, Jr. 75. Granden Goetzman 89. Lenny Linsky (Of course, the draft slot money was not around back then, so signability issues directed a lot of picks for richer and poorer teams.)

Theo was a great one, for sure, but he started getting away from focusing on the farm as a top priority towards the end of his time with Boston (same with the Cubs). While he did draft Mookie his last year here (along with a few others- see below) , these were the top prospects he left for Ben, according to soxprospects.com: 1. Middy 2. Kalish 3. Ranaudo 4. Bogey 5. Iggy 6. Lava 7. Barnes 8. Brentz 9. Jacobs 10. Swihart 11. Coyle 12. Cecchini 13. Weiland 14. Doubront 15. A Wilson 16. D Britton 17. Vitek 18. Head 19. Pimental 20. Tejada His drafts after 2005, despite having several comp picks didn't really measure up to the ones in 2003 and 2005. Top 50 picks: 2006: Jason Place, Daniel Bard, Kris Johnson, Caleb Clay 2007: Nick Hagadone 2008: Casey Kelly, Bryan Price 2009: Reymond Price 2010: Kolbrin Vitek, Bryce Brentz, A Ranaudo 2011: Barnes, Swihart, Owens, JBJ (Betts with the 172nd pick) The area he never seemed to let up in was international FA signings: 2004: Doubront 2006: Dice-K, Okajima 2008: Tazawa 2009: Bogaerts, Iglesias, Montas 2011: Margot Ben got us Devers, DHern & Moncada that way.

That's how I see it. I was ho-hum on the Price signing but felt it was necessary. While the necessity for a top pitcher is as real as when we signed Price, we are not an ace away from being a top contender, and Bauer does not have the bonafides Price had when he was signed.

I'd rather us sign DJ or Realmuto over Springer, too, but even those two are not the types of players to spend large and somewhat long on. I'd rather sign Hernandez and Marisnik and use more of the budget on signing RP'ers and maybe someone like Odorizzi or a 1 year deal for Lester. I'm thinking the best way to get a decent SP'er is to trade for one while taking on some salary in the deal.

It was both.

I don't think all the 29 were prospects, but it still shows how it can be done. The BTV site has these values for young players/prospects for these 3 clubs: SDP 172 Tatis Jr 71 Gore 62 Abrams 53 Paddock 41 Grisham 32 Campusano 14 Hassell 12 Morejon 9 Weathers ATL 316 Acuna Jr 140 Albies 69 Pache 65 Anderson 54 Soroka 41 Waters 21 Contreras 20 Riley 17 Langeliers 13 Muller 12 Shemake 8 Davidson 8 Harris 7 Wright, Wilson & Jackson BOS 51 Verdugo 45 Devers 26 Downs 22 Casas 12 Mata 12 Duran 9 DHern & Jiminez

I've never said it will be easy to get a nice return for Vazquez, but of all the FT players we have at a reasonable cost, he seems like the one I feel is most likely to get us what we need without needing to trade pitching.

They could. We could before them.

I'm not sure Vaz is any better than Stallings. My trade suggestion was more about Taillon and/or Stallings.

I think the point was, in terms of free agents, there's only 2- Bauer & Springer.

Have you asked them why Chavis & Chatham are so over-valued?

I knew there was someone I was forgetting: Tanaka. I'm not thrilled with Bauer or Tanaka. I felt much better about Price back then, and look where that got us.

True, but he's more ML ready than Wong.

If we could trade Vaz for prospects that could net us Stallings & Frazier from Pitt, would you do it? (I'd like to expand the deal to include Taillon, but I seem to be in a minority. I'm not for getting Musgrove or Sonny Gray.)