moonslav59
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Henri Stanley for Dave Roberts Lars Anderson for Steven Wright
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We've gotten a lot of prime pitchers for their twilight years... Juan Marichal Ferguson Jenkins Tom Seaver David Cone Curt Schilling Brett Saberhagen David Wells John Burkett Mike Torrez John Smoltz Tim Wakefield (Prime & Twilight) Luis Tiant (2nd prime) Frank Viola Bartolo Colon Next Tier: Danny Darwin Dennis Lamp Mark Portugal Ryan Dempster Paul Byrd -
...and we gained a year of team control by keeping him down another year.
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Schilling may end up in the Hall. The Bagwell deal hurt, for sure. How about the best 4 deals in Modern Sox history? Pedro VTek & D Lowe The Dodger Dump Schilling Any others close?
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Their extended contracts began in year 2020.
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Yeah, they should have benched Devers or Moreland. (sarcasm alert)
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Who should the Sox have play CF on opening day?
moonslav59 replied to mvp 78's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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They probably meant "Ten Good Teams."
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Who was the guy who traded for a pitcher because he was a lefty, but he was really a righty? Also, worst Sox trades have to include Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle and Fred Lynn for 1 year of Frank Tanana plus Joe Rudi and Bill Lee for Stan Papi. We also traded Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson for Mike Boddicker, Jon Lester and Johnny Gomes for 1 year of Cespedes.
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Udpdated with Reardon, Gordon & Saberhagen. Help me fill in the gaps. Let me know of any others missing from this list. 1990 Jeff Reardon 3 1991 Danny Darwin 4, *Roger Clemens 4, Jack Clark 3, Matt Young 3 1992 Frank Viola 3 1996 Tom Gordon 5 1998 Brett Saberhagen 3 1999 Jose Offerman 4 2001 Manny Ramirez 8 2002 Johnny Damon 4 2004 Keith Foulke 4 2005 Edgar Renteria 4, Jason Varitek 4, Matt Clement 3 2007 JD Drew 5, Julio Lugo 4, *Ortiz 4, *Beckett 3 2008 Mike Lowell 3 2009 *Youkilis 4, *Pedey 6, *Lester5 2010 John Lackey 5 2011 Carl Crawford 7 2012 *Adrian Gonzalez 7, *Buchholz 4 2013 Shane Victorino 3 2014 *Pedroia 8, Castillo 7 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4, *Porcello 4 2016 David Price 7 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4, *Vaz 4 2020 *Sale 5, *Bogey 6
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Thanks. Yes, the Sox signed Saberhagen signed for 3 years (98-00) at $12.5M with a 4th year option. Reardon got $6.8M/3 before the 1990 season. Gordon signed for $17.8M/5 before the 1996 season.
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The thought of moving Boggs or Bagwell to 1B never crossed their minds?
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Okay. I was just wondering if there is some list somewhere. It's hard to think up names from the 90's. I can't think of many others that were signed for 3+ years as a FA. It's harder still to find all the 3+ year extensions signed in that time period. soxprospects.comlists all transactions starting in 2003. I guess Cots goes back to 1991 but somehow included the Matt Young signing from 1990 and not the Clark and Darwin signings. (Note: I just added Roger Clemens who was extended at $21.5M/4 in 1991.)
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His 1993 season could be called great. He led the league in WHIP at 1.068 and had an ERA or 3.26 (143 ERA+). His 229 IP dwarfed the 161.2 he threw in 1990. The team went 19-15 in his 34 starts. His record was 15-11 for a team that went 80-82. That was the year Roger Clemens went 11-14 and had just a 48% GS%. Darwin's was 68%, that year. As bad as his first and last seasons with Boston were, he still ended up with a 109 ERA+ with the Sox, which beats his career 106 mark and was not much worse than his 113 number he put up in 6 years with Houston before coming to Boston.
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I was asking where notin found the Clark and Darwin signings, which came after Young's.
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Help me fill in the gaps. Let me know of any others missing from this list. 1991 Danny Darwin 4, *Roger Clemens 4, Jack Clark 3, Matt Young 3 1992 Frank Viola 3 1999 Jose Offerman 4 2001 Manny Ramirez 8 2002 Johnny Damon 4 2004 Keith Foulke 4 2005 Edgar Renteria 4, Jason Varitek 4, Matt Clement 3 2007 JD Drew 5, Julio Lugo 4, *Ortiz 4, *Beckett 3 2008 Mike Lowell 3 2009 *Youkilis 4, *Pedey 6, *Lester5 2010 John Lackey 5 2011 Carl Crawford 7 2012 *Adrian Gonzalez 7, *Buchholz 4 2013 Shane Victorino 3 2014 *Pedroia 8, Castillo 7 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4, *Porcello 4 2016 David Price 7 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4, *Vaz 4 2020 *Sale 5, *Bogey 6
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The link has Matt Young but not Clark & Darwin.
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Thanks for letting me know. This site left those out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L4T9k8pGDDt8kVd1rvboacYdXpafHsOB2nhEGAGEaAY/edit#gid=165240331 Where did you find your info?
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That was not my intent. I was trying to show that the Sox have signed or extended players to longer term deals of significant value almost every year in the past 2 decades. People have been saying Henry is "going cheap," but the record does not show that. The two extensions given to Sale and Bogey, that began in 2020, were very large deals, but we lost Betts, so Henry is a now a miser? Total the deals made the last 3 years, adjust for inflation, and my guess is the last 3 years rank right up there with any other big spending 3 years stretch. 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4, *Vaz 4 2020 *Sale 5, *Bogey 6 (The 2014-2016 stretch may be the highest.) 2014 *Pedroia 8, Castillo 7 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4, *Porcello 4 2016 David Price 7 Henry has clearly been spending more from 2014-2020 (7 years) than from 2003-2013 (11 years).
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I've always been high on Dalbec, but it won't be easy to win ROY. I do have high hopes, though.
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Exactly.
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Good point, but the fact is, we didn't sign any FA to more than that, until Frank Viola in 1992 and then Offerman in '99! (I don't have information on extension contracts that far back.) Any of the Henry bashers reading this- take note.
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Agreed. BAbip is a useful stat in determining how much luck- good or bad- is involved.
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MLBTR to use different stats going forward... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/pitching-stats-mlbtr.html
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Beni will not be our CF'er.
