moonslav59
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True, and many of DD's did not, either. Many of his trades looked okay to good, only because the guys we traded tanked or had TJS. Even the Thornburg trade, which looked awful when Shaw had a great year, ended up looking closer to a wash as Shaw fell off a cliff. On the other hand, the Sale trade that looked great at the start, but now looks more even.
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Agreed. He has a decent winter spending budget to work with, so the pressure is on. I'm not expecting a 2021 miracle, but I'm hopeful our farm continues to improve and some of the new additions look like winners. I'm thinking we might squeak into the playoffs, but my real hopes are for 2022 and beyond with an entertaining 2021 along the way.
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I feel the same way. It's not a blind trust. It's based on Bloom's previous record and the decent job he has done building up our farm in just one year. He still has a way to go, and his next moves will have to work better than Peraza and the long list of marginal pitchers he added that didn't amount to squat. To those bashing the trust we are showing, I'd ask, what is it about Bloom that makes you now trust him? Our 60 game record? Really?
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As much as I love baseball, I rarely watch non Sox games as much as I watch other sports not involving "my teams" (Packers, Bucks, Bruins, Fighting Irish). I watched almost the whole game, last night. This thread title might go down as the best or most accurate of all time. Go RAYS!
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So, he got the job by doing nothing to date.
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I'm not downplaying the point that he nearly emptied the farm and left us in a mess, but he made a lot of trades and signings that were very good to excellent- not all were bonanza FA signings and trades involving top prospects. The Pearce and Eovaldi deals were not the only good ones. You, yourself have said than most of his deals- taken by themselves- were good one, but it was the totality of them all that was the major issue. Yes, any GM can sign big free agents, when given so many blank checks. Any GM can trade away prospects, and many do, but not all build a team like 2018. We are paying the price for 2018, right now, but that sure was a glorious season.
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As long as our future looks brighter, the 2021 results are not the only measure of GM success. Did anyone really expect us to win in 2020 or 2021 after what we saw in 2019 and the known fact that a reset had to happen?
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How can we said, "I told you so," when we haven't said squat, except give the guy a chance and time to deal with the mess he was handed? Who know if he will do well? It looks like he's off to a good start rebuilding the farm, but as we all know, they could all end up sucking. Bloom is not the one deciding the budget. Compared to our last 3 GMs, he inherited the worst farm and his share of bloated contracts. Blaming him for 2020 is pointless.
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Gordon Edes... https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-10-23/world-series-mookie-betts-red-sox-trade-fallout?fbclid=IwAR0wnnPC1wTu6AEUhViQ0zVtLbSsVKKrK-2f27Y6f1c0Fhl44XUNNPgBCDY
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The previous GM, Dan Duquette left a nice foundation for Henry & Theo. There were no major sunken contracts. Henry changed the "culture" of the team starting with the management and the elimination of complacency. There was an early focus put on building the farm. The Sox mastered the game of acquiring comp picks and finding top IFAs. The checkbook certainly was a major factor in winning rings. A few key trades, most notably the Schilling VTek/Lowe and Dodger dump deals, were essential, too. Without Henry, we may still be looking for our first ring in almost a century.
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You think you can only be good, if you win a ring with a $60M budget?
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It's been one year. That's not along leash. The leash I gave Ben was a long one.
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Yes. See my last post.
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I would have thought living in CT, you'd have seen more than I did in Maine and MA. It was intolerable up until 2004. Maybe Yankee fans became less obnoxious after choking away 2004. I moved away from New England in 2007, so I'm no authority on Yankee fan obnoxiousness since then.
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100%, Bell- 100%! I think we need to realize that to win it all, sacrifices have to be made- hence the dips on the "roller coaster" ride. I've been a Sox fan since 1970. I remember saying I'd take 10 last place finishes for just one ring. I meant it. The whole "playing it half way" philosophy may have led to making a lot of money over the years, but it was heart-breaking to us fans. Of course,once we won that first ring in 2004, I would not have been okay with blowing it all up and finishing last for 10 years, but it's never hurt as much losing after 2004. By remaining a top 5 spender, every year, we should be able to avoid really bad or really long stretches of losing, but to me, we have to expect some lulls in the glory area to get there every 3-7 years or so. I get the anger over the 3 last places under Ben's leadership. That should not happen when spending like we were, but we did get that ring. Same with DD. Same with Theo. Henry is the man.
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I do, too. I like the way he is quickly rebuilding the farm and clearing budget space. I don't think he's done in either areas.
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ERod is a tough call, due to the uncertainty of his health. I was thinking more about JD, Eovaldi & Barnes. Although the first two are signed through 2022 and could be part of a winning team, that year, neither are part of the "beyond" part of the 2022 and beyond philosophy. I'm not saying this would, could or should happen, but in theory, we could trade JD, Eovaldi, ERod & Barnes- paying some or much of their contracts, and still stay under the tax line for 2021 while adding some key young players or prospects to the longer term plan. Those trades, alone, could maybe get us to a number 15 in the farm rankings. A strong draft could get us to top 10 status. A strong farm is not all we need to be back near the top by 2022, at the earliest, but it sure improves the outlook.
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I see their point, but it was all about money, they wouldn't be the top spenders over the last 17 seasons. I get the need to keep the team just competitive enough to not lose fans and viewership, but I do think the Yanks have had teams good enough to win it all. Poor management is part of the reasons for the lack of rings. Moving out Cashman and Boone is not about money.
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To me, the Yankee hate does not come from just losing to them, so many times. It's being exposed to their obnoxious fans, watching them buy the best players year after year, watching them use PEDs way more than any other top teams and just being rivals. The Rays have beaten us a lot, too, and there were several times where bad blood was exposed, but I can't help but admire a team like the Rays. They have had one of the lowest player budgets year-after-year, and yet they have been pretty competitive over many seasons. They are the "underdog." Yes, it sucks, they beat us too many times, but to me, it's not even close to the Yanks, when you factor in everything beyond recent beatings.
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Which begs the question: should we make all our plans on 2022 and beyond, sometimes to the detriment of the 2021's team?
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If we suck by the deadline, we may be able to improve the farm by trading away a few more pieces- FAs-to-be, including some we haven't even signed yet- like the Pillar & Moreland deals we made this past summer. If we can get to 10-15 by this time, next year, I'd be very happy. Another thing to look at is the estimated time of arrivals for our top prospects. I know age is not everything, but here's how it looks, now, according to soxprospects.com's rankings: Age Group: (Total #top 10/top 20) Rankings of player in that age group 17-19: (0/ 4) 0/ 13. Yorke, 14. Lugo, 16. Jordan, 17. Ramirez 20-21: (3/ 5) 1. Casas, 3. Mata, 7. Jimenez/ 11. Rosario, 15. Potts 22-23: (4/ 6) 2. Downs, 5. Song, 8. Groome, 9. Ward/ 18. Murphy, 20. Wallace 24-25: (3/ 5) 4. Duran, 6. Dalbec, 10. Houck/ 12. Seabold, 19. Wong 26+: (0/ 0) None Youngest non-prospect players: 22: Arauz 24: Devers, Verdugo, DHern 25: Dalbec, Chavis, Arroyo, Munoz
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They may need to do what DD did- go all out for one ring, instead of trying to be almost good enough, every year. Yes, the playoffs are a crap shoot, and the Yanks came very close to going to the WS, this year, but when does "not close enough" become a burden that needs an immediate and full throttle effort to get over the hump? Yankee fans must be scratching their heads if not pissing all over Yankee management.
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He made a lot of very good to great moves and signings beyond just 2018. Like you,I think he went beyond what was needed or practical- overkill, if you wish, but he does deserve more than just a little credit for building the 2028 mega team. Giving him credit does not absolve him of any blame or culpability all those moves created or caused. His tenure, here, was a mixed bag of good and bad- much like the GMs before him, but maybe to more of an extreme. The hard part is trying to determine how much the good outweighs the bad or vice versa. I suspect this board will never agree on the end result of that calculation. IMO, he's about a push. The ring justifies a lot, if not all, of the mess we are in, now. I'm pretty sure you feel otherwise. Others think he was a huge plus.
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Okay, okay...Rays in 6.
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Tapia wasn't the first guy I expected us to let go, but those bottom 16-18 guys are pretty bunched up.
