moonslav59

Like a knife in the gut.

That was a heartbreaking season for me, at age 16. Yes, Yaz was brutally honest. He was including himself in that statement. It was painful watching him suffer then beat himself up over it.

Theo- Love Ben- Hate DD- Love Bloom- Hate

Reminds me of the guy who swore up and down we needed to sign Hosmer.

Signing Springer would be a huge mistake. H U G E !

I'm with you 100%. It's a great game. I started as a Sox fan after Yaz had reached his prime, but the guy was a winner and a fierce competitor. I could tell it pained him deeply never winning a ring, He's got my total respect and should have everyone's, as well.

I can tell you guys really love Bloom.

Seems like a good depth signing, but I'm still waiting for our first major acquisition.

$11M x 2 is a lot for TB.

Agreed. To me Chatham might be worth 1-2 not 4.9, and Chavis may be worth 3-5 not 7.5. This does not make the site "horrible." Out of all the Sox players listed, those seem like the only glaring over-valued players. I don't think Duran is all that over-valued. He may be worth 9-11 not 12.1. Maybe Pitt might want Chavis and Chatham, if we take Bell & Frazier from them, but there's a strong chance they don't. If we take back Polanco or Kiermaier, that team may want Duran. Maybe not. I do think most teams would like or want Ward (4.5) and Groome (3.9) and even Bello (1.0) - maybe more than Chavis and Chatham.

We are talking about two teams that are in constant money-saving mode. Vaz is not only a true value- he fits their salary structure. While Anderson's first arb is after next year, Vaz is worth more. Pitt is going to trade Taillon and or Musgrove and have been shopping Frazier and Bell, as well. (I'd do the deal without Bell.) I think you may undervalue Duran even more than I do. I'd sub Ward and Groome for Chavis and Chatham, if needed or even add them to the deal. (BTW, TB loves "change of scenery guys.") The site has serious flaws, for sure, but it is not "horrible." Are you just upset they value Castillo way more than Torres?

I don't disagree, and I was one of those who felt we should pay Betts to stay for your reasons listed and because he'd be worth it.

Good point. I'd do it with Groome- maybe with Ward.

I'm happy we got Verdugo, Downs, Wong and salary space going forward. There will never be another Betts, but I'm "movin' on."

Do you honestly believe... Torres > Castillo?

Baz is pre-arb and Chavis cheaper than Bell. I'd be okay giving them Groome or Ward instead of Chatham, if it got the deal done. (I'd then give Chatham to TB to sweeten their take, if they insisted.)

While I doubt this trade would be acceptable to either the Pirates of the Rays, it was accepted by BTV and would fill just about every need we have: SP: Taillon Closer: Anderson CF: Kiermaier 2B: Adam Frazier 1B: Josh Bell C: Stallings To TBR: C Vazquez CF Duran to Pitt SP Baz (from TBR) 1B Chavis C Grullon SS/2B Chatham Our 26 Man Roster (0thers) SP: Sale, Eovaldi, Taillon, ERod, Pivetta/Houck (Seabold, Mata, Mazza,Weber, Ward) RP: Anderson, Barnes, Brasier, DHern, Taylor, Brice, Whitlock, Valdez (Brewer, Walden, Bazardo, Payamps, Feltman, Gonsalves) C: Stallings, Plawecki (Wong) 1B: Bell, Dalbec (Casas) 2B: Frazier, Arroyo (Downs)) 3B: Devers (Potts) SS: Bogaerts (Munoz/Arauz) LF: Benintendi/Renfroe (Puello) CF: Kiermaier (Wilson, Rosario) RF: Verdugo (Gettys) DH: Martinez (Ockimey)

Here are some deals I threw together that were accepted by BTV. I'm not saying I am for all of them, but the theory behind each trade is that was can lessen the return by taking on a contract the other team wants to shed. 3 Way: BOS: Taillon & Stallings PHI: Vazquez & Chavis PIT: Abel & Marchan or BOS: Eflin, Frazier & Stallings PHI: Vazquez & Chavis PIT: Chatham & Marcham or BOS: Taillon, Anderson, Stallings, Frazier, Kiermaier TBR: Vazquez & Duran PIT: Baz, Chavis, Chatham & Grullon 2 Team BOS: Taillon, Frazier, Bell & Polanco PITT: Beni, Chavis & Groome BOS: Yarbrough, Fairbanks & Kiermaier TBR: Chavis, Chatham & Ward BOS: Anderson, Yarbrough, Kiermaier & Tsutsugo TBR: Vaz, Beni & Bello BOS: Riley, Inciarte, W Smith & Langeliers ATL: Dalbec, Bello & Brannen BOS: Muller, Wright, Wilson & Inciarte ATL: Dalbec & Bello BOS: Mancini, T Scott, Cobb BAL: Beni, Ward, Chatham & Bello BOS: Keller, D Duffy, Soler KCR: Chavis, Chatham & Bello BOS: Gurriel, Thornton, Kay, Roark & Grichuk TOR: Beni, Chatham, Pivetta, Wilson & Bello BOS: Manaea, Soderstrom, Neuse & Piscotty OAK: Chatham, Groome, Arauz & Flores BOS: Manaea, Soderstrom, Jeffries, Neuse & Piscotty OAK: Duran & Chavis BOS: Hader, Houser & Cain MIL: Beni, Chatham & Groome BOS: Hoerner, Rizzo, Baez, Wick & Heyward Cubs: Chavis, Beni, Ward, Arauz & Eovaldi BOS: Garcia, Antone & Castellenos CIN: Ward, Groome & Chatham BOS: Weaver, C Smith & N Ahmed AZ: Ward, Groome & Chatham BOS: Anderson & Kiemaier TB: Chavis, Chatham & Groome BOS: Gallo, Leclerc & Odor TX: Duran & Ward BOS: Conforto, Peterson, Nido & Familia NYM: Vazquez, Beni & Chatham BOS: V Reyez, Goodrum & Boyd DET: Beni, Ward, Chavis & Arauz BOS: Eflin, Abel, Hasely, Velasquez & Kingery PHI: Vazquez, Chavis & Groome BOS C Javier, J Jamez, R Pressly & Gurriel HOU: Ward & Chavis Also, I would not be surprised if every opposing GM said no to these deals. In some of these deals, I'd offer more than listed (needed on the BTV site) or take back one less piece,

They save a lot- beyond AVV as Heyward has more years that JD and Eovaldi. Also, they could maybe trade Eovaldi, afterwards. I'm not saying they'd do this deal, but only offered up a way for them to get something in return rather than just pay cash, like the will probably have to do.

The big "do-over:" sign Scherzer instead of Pablito & HanRam. (Then, we don't sign Price and spend that money elsewhere....)

Well, that was just part of the deal. I'd expect the Cubs to send us something to balance that out- a player or two, a player and a prospect or a player and some cash.

Agreed, or we send them Eovaldi & JD.

Likely, yes. I didn't check. I'm pretty sure Cincy would say no to the first one.

Me neither. I was just pointing out what it would likely take to get a deal done. This would be the worst time to make a deal like this. We are not a Luis Castillo away from being a top contender, and our farm needs to be strengthened not weakened.

Castillo >>> Torres Castillo >>> Garcia, Schmidt, Dominguez & Severino