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Plenty. We just won't part with any worthy ones.

It's been 2 months.

Is Kike's ceiling his two best years? .836 in 2015 (218 PAs) .806 in 2018 (462 PAs) If you add them together, it would look something like this: 680 PAs 28 HRs .270 BA .340 OBP .475 SLG .815 OPS That would be a nice ceiling to reach. (If that's what we agree Kike's ceiling is.)

I don't disagree, but I might guess .240 to .245 but an OBP around .325 to .335 not .290ish.

You sure did your best to make DD look good without it being your "job." You clearly dislike Bloom and do all you can to focus on what he has done wrong. That's "your thing."

Because it would mean he was wrong about Bloom. He'd rather the Sox suck and gloat than have to admit he was wrong on Bloom.

It still remains to be seen, if he can hit .260 like the minors not .220 like the majors. He also walked a lot more in the minors (.360 OBP). There's a chance he can improve in these areas and be a much better player. The K rate will likely not change much.

Except, nobody was helping us pay CC's contract.

That's the hindsight aspect of your choice of comps. And, it's only idiotic if you're trying to make bloom look good- something you clearly will never do.

I think Downs is hard to project. All prospects are speculation to varying degrees, but for some reason I have no clue on Downs. I don't feel super high on him, but maybe it's because he hasn't started out too well. soxprospects have him ranked 2nd. That's higher than Duran and Jimenez. For what it's worth, BTV ranks our prospects as such: 24.7 Downs 24.2 Casas 19.5 Duran 13.8 R Hernandez 10.8 Jimenez

Before the year started, a better comp would be Renfroe or Marwin as the money was similar to what we saved on Beni. You chose someone getting paid twice what the Beni deal saved us, because Kike has under produced, and it makes Bloom look worse. Call it whatever you want, but if Kike was hitting well, you would have brought him up as a comp. Period.

We could have signed Cesar Hernandez at $5M/1 and gotten about the same production without the OF option.

Yes, I know what hindsight means, and I know you hated the Kike signing and Bloom hiring from day one. It's not hindsight in the general sense it is used, but you know damn well, you would not be mentioning the money saved by trading Beni to offset Kike and Kike vs Holt had Kike been hitting .850. Just because you knew he wouldn't hit .850 beforehand does not mean you didn't cherry pick the comp in hindsight. Plus, the money Kike cost does not match up with the money saved on the Beni deal, even if you subtract Holt's contract from his. A closer comp is Renfroe, since he has 2 years of control and cost about what the difference was on the Beni deal. Another similar money comp would be Sawamura, but the positions are way different. Perhaps using Marwin would make your case stronger. Beni for Marwin and the 5 players.

Many 2020 marginal players bombed, but this year, one could argue these players were bad or not very good (so far and for some, really small sample sizes): Cordero Andriese Marwin Santana Brice (from last year) We haven't had to dip into our SP'er depth, like last year, so we have not had a chance to cringe at the Mazzas and God knows all the others. Certainly, this off season was better than the last one, but he hardly spent anything, last year and some of that money went to Peraza and a much less effective Martin Perez.

So, if Kike was batting .850, you'd have still used him as an example?

Rangers up 1-0 on the Rays in the 3rd. Toronto winning big.

The Bello Movement sounds like the name of a band or some kind of gastro issue.

All this talk of big dicks and nuts are getting out of hand.

I meant that that is the player you choose to count as the budget offset for the money saved in the Beni deal. I'd have traded Beni for Renfroe and the 5 players we got again, in a heartbeat, but that's me "cherry-picking" Renfroe. Get it? Neither Renfroe of Kike have anything to do with the Beni trade, but the money saved by the Beni trade is separate from the money lost on Kike vs Holt, too.

I'm one of Bloom's biggest supporters, but there have certainly been several moves that are questionable, at best and just plain bad, at worst. No GM gets every move right. I do think some context is needed when looking at Bloom's record. His farm was near empty, when he arrived, his budget was restricted much more than DD's and other GMs, and his 40 man roster depth was eye-poppingly bad. His plan had to be more about building up for 2022 and beyond- maybe with the hope that we could compete for a WC slot in 2021. Almost all of is moves have been to build up the farm or to acquire place-setters for incoming prospect talent or future higher-cost free agent signings. Only Kike and Sawamura were signed for more than 1 year, and they both got only got two. It seems clear to me, they decided not to fill any holes, long-term until they found out more about what they had in the system. In some ways, I think that was what 2021 was supposed to be and maybe 2020, too, had COVID not shortened the season. Bloom swung and missed badly on a lot of players, but most were long shot, low-cost additions with low expectations anyway. Here are some of his better moves that involve 2022 and some beyond: Richards and Perez both have 2022 team options at reasonable prices. Pivetta was acquired for Workman & Hembree. We got Workman back for nothing and also have Seabold as a promising, near ML ready, prospect. Kike is signed through 2022 and is struggling, now, but the jury is still out. Some of the other 2B options are doing even worse, and most of them could not play OF. As of now, it looks like an overpay, at best. We have Renfroe for one arb year. That one looks good. We have Verdugo for 3 more arb years, plus Downs & Wong as promising prospects. Valdez was a nice score and has 4 more years of control. Arroyo was also a waiver addition and shows some promise. The Ronaldo Hernandez deal looks very promising, too. Arauz, Whitlcok, Reed and Ort were recent Rule 5 additions. How many times have you see that many seemingly good Rule 5 picks in just 2 years? I'm liking Winckowski, too and maybe we get something from one of the other 4 Beni players of German, the guy we got with Ottavino. Can we also give Bloom and his team credit for getting the most out of Pivetta, Perez, Whitlock and some other pitchers looking real good on the farm? For years, we kept hearing how the Sox were terrible at developing good pitchers. Maybe that has already changed for the good, but we are too close to the action to realize it.

That would mean they would have had to have foreseen his stock-declining 2020 season ahead of time. Holding onto him for the 2021 season was not likely going to increase his value, as well. I'm not sure getting 5 players and over $3M in budget space can be called a bad deal so early on, but you have already written off all 5 players and cherry-picked, in hindsight, signing Holt and not Kike, but that call is not decided yet, either.

If it were up to me, I'd sign an ace 2 times every 3 years.

Show some lovin' for George: Baseball America rated him as the 17th-best prospect in the California League, right behind Nate Schierholtz and the #2 prospect in the San Diego chain. Kottaras continued his climb in 2006, with a .276/.394/.451 campaign in 78 games for Mobile and a .210/.286/.361 line in 33 games for the Portland Beavers. He hit just .111 against left-handers while with Portland. Baseball America rated him the #14 prospect in the Southern League, between Tyler Lumsden and Alberto Gonzalez. Kottaras also dazzled in the 2006 Futures Game. He started at catcher for the World team, hitting 7th. In the second inning, he doubled against Homer Bailey and scored on a Chin-Lung Hu double for a 1-0 World team lead. By the time he batted again in the 4th, the World trailed 7-2. He did his part, with a 2-run homer off of Philip Hughes to score Wladimir Balentien. Kottaras was replaced by Salomon Manriquez at catcher before he batted again. He finished the day as the World's top player in total bases and runs and tied Balentien for the RBI lead. The World team lost, 8-5...

You guys are 1.5 games behind the last WC slot.

Maybe Ronaldo Hernandez or Wong can do well enough to give us a plus at catcher after Vaz's 2022 season ends his control years with the Sox. Our biggest need areas all have a top prospect or recently graduated prospect in the system, already. That was no accident. CF: 3 Duran, 4 Jimenez, 20 Rosario 2B: 2 Downs, 21 Arauz, 10 Yorke (Arroyo) 1B: Dalbec, 1 Casas C: 13 R Hernandez, 17 Wong