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Besides Downs and Wong, he got Rolando Hernandez for 2 scrub pitchers everyone wanted DFA'd. He picked up Jeisson Rosario, my sleeper pick this year, Hudson Potts and recently Valdez. He drafted Nick Yorke & Blaze Jordan, too. Pillar was a nice pick up, last year. Maybe none will work out, and you can gloat.

He also looked pretty good in something like 7 IP in ST'ing.

Why leave out Verdugo, Renfroe, Arroyo, Plawecki and some minor league position players with promise? BTW, it's not stupid, if it's true. Your disdain for Bloom is well documented.

It must be killing you to watch Bloom's team win so much.

You'd like that. Reason enough not to. LOL.

You're down to one PA sample sizes, now? LOL.

Well, I stayed away from the game thread for 3 straight games, and we won all 3. I guess I have to stay away some more. Reading back a few pages, I guess the negativity hasn't let up. It's unrealistic to think it ever will. The offense came to life. ERod showed sigs of turning the corner. Some struggling bats came a live a bit. Devers is keyed in. Line shots everywhere.

Obviously no, and I never said that. I said it was a bigger factor than a most recent 50 PA sample size. Plus, players get extended, get hurt, have big seasons or bad ones (not tiny sample sizes) that all affect their value, but years of team control and what cost is certainly a significant factor.

I seriously doubt GMs set value based primarily on most recent small sample sizes. Years of team control, contractual costs and projected performance is likely all higher ranked than a tiny sample size.

He's hitting below his career norm and has less and less team control with every passing day.

He's a couple oh for 4's from equaling Cordero's OPS.

I'd rather have Renfroe, anyway. The rest is just gravy.

Beni's value is lower, now, and will continue to decline as his years of service decline.

The Rays won 3-0. Rich Hill with 2 hit ball through 5. How long will he last?

Is JD on a 2 days off a week plan?

Is Arroyo on a no 2 days in a row plan or something? I know Marwin is Cora's best bud, but what's up with the whole Arroyo situation? The guy hit a key 3 run job the other day and did well his last game, too. He has the highest OBP of any Sox player not named Devers, JD, Bogey or Verdugo. I thought the idea of removing Kike from the leadoff slot was to improve our chances of having someone get on base for the big 4. Santana has the worst OBP of all Sox players on the 26 man roster (.222 in a small sample).

How dumb are the Rangers? Down 3-0 to the Rays with 2 outs in the bottom of the eighth and Calhoun gets thrown out stealing 2B.

It's the only deadline trade I remember by the Rays at the deadline, yes. There may be more. I don't think the David Wells trade in 2006 was major enough to be an example, but we were 10 games over .500 at the time of the trade, and I do remember some grumbling about throwing in the towel too early. That season was promising until losing 5 in a row to the Yanks in mid August, which was part of losing 12 of 14 shortly before the deadline. We ended up 10 over .500 and lost out by 9 games to the 95 win Tigers, but at the end of August, it was not a clear thing.

I kinda liked the idea of trying Arroyo leading off. I know Santana has speed, but Arroyo has been getting on base better than any of the non top 4 hitters on the team... Note Santana's ranking. .326 Arroyo .310 Plawecki .299 Renfroe .288 Vaz .287 Marwin .284 Kike .248 Dalbec .222 Santana

He was hired to build a winning team and probably to set up a system where it can be sustainable. If you look at what the Rays did after some of their "sell-offs" they actually improved in the short and long terms, and many of the very good players they dealt away had a lot of people scratching their heads, until the guys they traded fell off a cliff shortly afterwards. Look, I'm not saying Bloom will trade Barnes, or that he will follow the Rays example 100%. He had to do some of those moves for financial reasons. He does not have to do that here, but he did learn some valuable lessons from several of those trades that may carry over to his time, here. Another factor to think about is how we define "competitiveness." Is it having an outside shot at a WC slot? Is it having an inside shot at a WC slot? Is it having a good chance to win the division? Is it having a good chance at winning a ring? I know many of you believe in the playoff crapshoot doctrine, but I don't, and maybe Bloom & Co. don't either. If they think we have a 10% chance at winning it all, and a trade of Barnes might make it a 2 or 3% chance, but will greatly increase our chances, next year and/or for several years afterwards, maybe they consider it. If they think our chances are 20-30%, the choice gets much harder, but if you believe in the crapshoot doctrine, nobody ever has a20-25% or higher chance of winning a ring.

Sorry, my bad. The Kazmir deal was an example.

Over the whole season, the opps have a .517 OPS against Winckowski over 32 IP (2.25 ERA). One bad game has not hurt his numbers all that much.

He's had just a tiny sample size in Yankee Stadium (The Yanks are 0-4 off him with 2 BBs- Career)

True. He's only pitched once since May 23rd. (13 days)

The Rays have a long history of trading very good players when in contention- either over the winter or at the deadline. I'm not sure it matters all that much when the deal is made. When you trade a very good player for prospects, when you are supposed to be in contention, it's a strategy not many teams use. The Dodgers have made winter deals like the Rays, but I can't think of any deadline deals, so it does have a different set of issues. I grant that. I think the Sox traded David Wells, when some thought we still had a shot. The Rays have traded a few at the deadline. Here are some I remember: July 2019: In the thick of a playoff race, they traded Ryne Stanek and a prospect for Nick Anderson, who was basically a prospect and Trevor Richards (2nd year in MLB) July 2018: Chris Archer for Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows & Shane Baz. (Would you not want those 3 for Barnes?) The Rays had a nice 62-48 record at the time of the deal and were in the thick of a WC race. The ended up making the playoffs and finished closer to first in the ALE than they were at the time of the trade (7 GB to 7.5 GB). In 2009, the Rays were 70-58 on the Waiver wire deadline. They still had a decent chance at making the playoffs as a WC team. They traded Scott Kazmir for 3 PTBNLs and ended up missing the playoffs and just 6 games above .500. The 3 PTBNLs were Matthew Sweeney, Alex Torres & Sean Rodriguez. Speaking of Kazmir, they got him in a deadline trade for Victor Zambrano, but the Rays were not in contention that year. Some memorable Rays winter trades while viewed as serious contenders: Dec 2009: Jesse Chavez for Rafael Soriano Jan 2011: Matt Garza for Chris Archer, R Chirinos, Sam Fuld & Brandon Guyer Dec 2012: Jamie Shields & Wade Davis for Wil Myers, Jake Odorizzi & Mike Montgomery (they later traded Odorizzi for J Palacios) Dec 2014: Wil Myers & scraps for Jake Bauers, R Rivera, Burch Smith and others. Dec 2017: Longoria for Christian Arroyo & Denard Span I'm probably forgetting some other deals.