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I could see Barnes getting $42M/3 or $52M/4, this winter, assuming no major implosion. Honestly, I think he'd get this deal he just signed for had he had a normal Barnes season, this year.

bWAR Henriks 2015-2020 0.7 0.2 0.2 3.4 1.4 (2020 reduced season) Total 5.9 Barnes (2016-2021) 0.3 0.7 1.1 1.4 0.3 (reduced 2020 season) 1.4 (as of now) Total 5.2 with the rest of 2021 to go Barnes has been more consistent. Hendriks had a great 2019 season that boosts his numbers.

Lice droppings might be sticky.

Maybe Cordero, since Marwin is our 4th OF'er. Arauz? Wilson?

Where are all the Kike bashers who were wondering why we signed this guy just 20% into his contract?

Still can't believe so many fans write these guys off so early in a game.

True. I guess I'm thinking poorer teams may try to spread the wealth more to improve their chances of finding more players not necessarily a few very good players.

Bald or bold?

Like I don't provide numbers? LOL BTW, I'm not saying Barnes is better than Hendricks was when he signed, but he's not that far away.

Exactly. Hendricks was almost 32 when he signed his 3 year deal at $18M a year... a little older than Barnes will be when his new deal starts. He began his career as a starter and was pretty bad his first 4 seasons. He had a good season in 2015 at age 26. 2.92 ERA 1.082 WHIP From 2016-2018, he was nothing all that special: 4.01 ERA 1.297 WHIP He did very well in 2019 and the short 2020 season- better than Barnes had done, until this year. 1.79 ERA 0.897 WHIP in 110 IP While Barnes may not have has the spectacular recent 110 IP like Hendricks, he does have 37 IP, this year that compares to that: 2.68 ERA 0.865 WHIP (15.1 K/0 and 2.4 BB/9) Also, he was consistently very good from 2016-2020- a much longer stretch that Liam and as recent as can be. 2016-2018 3.86/1.293 (Hendricks: 4.01 1.297) 2019-2020 3.92/1.385 2016-2020 3.88/1.321 (Hendricks: 3.08/1.129) Let's compare Hendricks 2016-2020to Barnes 2017-2021: Barnes 3.66/1.236 (13.4 K to 4.3 BB) 3.11 FIP in 256 IP 127 ERA+ 79 ERA- Hendricks 3.08/1.129 (11.4 K to 2.4 BB) 2.59 FIP in 263 IP 136 ERA+ 73 ERA-

He was already a millionaire. He also could have gotten more- much more. This was not "market value."

Well, Oprah makes more.

Yeah, lets move Kike to 1B so Duran's bat can replace Dalbec's.

He wants everyone traded or cut, yet he swears he's a Sox fan. I guess he loves the logo or the name, but he hates all Sox players, at some point.

What might we get for all 26 players, this winter?

Brutal.

What's your point? You honestly think this is not a steal? Please don't say, "I just gave some numbers- interpret as you wish." Give us an opinion.

I don't see any issues deciding who to DFA once we activate some of our players 60 Day IL players. Santana or Andriese come to mind. Brice, Rios or Wormnan, too. Wilson, Arauz or Potts could be traded.

Martin Perez? You mean the guy that has pitched like our ace for much of the season? Or Marwin?

I think based on several years.

I meant in terms of first round picks and under slotting. For all we know, the Sox may underslot as much as the Rays, tonight.

I always have the sound off for Sox announcers.

I'm not against criticizing specific moves by any manager, but I get defensive, sometimes, because like you, I think Cora & Bloom are brilliant. You have some good points, but we don't know everything. I trust Cora had some good reasons. Maybe he wants Barnes to get some extra rest, since he is taking the trip to the AS game.

It's not all about him playing everyday vs a bench role. It's not about old school vs new school. I don't see any new tradition being established whereby prospects like Duran are being called up earlier than before. It's about him maybe not being ML ready, especially on defense and our lack of need for an OF'er. It's easy to say Duran could do better than Marwin, Santana and Chavis, but you are assuming two things: 1. The three players who have been doing poorly will continue to do so or are expected to continue doing that poorly or worse than what we can expect from Duran, which is a very unpredictable thing. I keep hearing, "How can he do any worse?" This makes sense, but only if you assume all players do as poorly as their recent poor sample sizes show. That wasn't the case with Renfroe after April and Dalbec after April and May. 2. Duran, who has been struggling at the plate, recently will do better. If you are going by what Duran is doing in AAA, why not call up Cordero? He has better numbers and better recent numbers. There is also Duran's defensive readiness to consider. Why not trust Bloom?

Kike is better in CF than 2B or 1B. I've been saying that since the moment we signed him. Despite two stints on the IL, Arroyo has done nothing to prove he shouldn't be our FT 2Bman. Really, the only non pitching slots that look like weak areas are 1B and bench. We can narrow that down to a LH hitting platoon at 1B and keep Dalbec to hit vs LHPs, but that is a rather narrow role for taking up a roster slot, especially, if we go back to carrying an extra pitcher. Marwin is not going anywhere, despite his sub 600 OPS, but replacing Santana/Chavis could be an easy and inexpensive trade. So,maybe we replace Dalbec on the 26 man roster by trading for a 1Bman (Carlos Santana?). Maybe we keep Dalbec on the roster and replace Santana/Chavis with a 1Bman who hits left-handed. That puts an big strain on Marwin to handle all the other positions, unless we go with one less pitcher on the 26. The pitching situation seems more clear in one way- who can be replaced, but a bit more complicated in another area- who and when can an in system pitcher replace one of these three pitchers: Andriese Rios Workman (maybe Richards at some point) We have Sale, Houck and Brasier/Bazardo/Valdez/Ort, but I'm thinking we add one pitcher by trade.