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NEVER!!! (lol)

Good way to break Sale back into the fold.

That is nice, especially seeing Bobby Dee's dinger. How about the top, though? Kike 2-2, 2B, BB, HBP, 4 runs Verdugo 4-4, 3 runs, 1 RI Bogey 3-3, HBP, 2 runs, 2 RBI Devers 2-3, HR, BB, 1 run, 4 RBI JD 2-4, HR, 2B, 1 run, 3 RBI That's 13 for 16! 2 BB + 2 HBP, so on base 17 out of 20 PAs! 13 RBI 11 runs The top 3 went 9 for 9 and on base 12 for 12!

BTW, here are the Sox BTV numbers: Non Prospects: 97 Devers (2) 52 Bogey (1 or...) 50 Verdugo (3) 23 Barnes (3) 21 Houck (5) 11 Vaz (1) 11 Pivetta (3) 9 Taylor (4) 8 Dalbec (5) 5 Arroyo (3), Renfroe (2), Whitlock (5) 4 DHern (4) 3 JD (1?) 2 Kike (1), Schwarber (0), Davis (2), Eovaldi (1) Prospects: 48 Casas 45 Duran 34 Mayer 20 Downs 11 Jimenez 7 Yorke 6 Mata 5 Bello, Jordan 4 Groome, Gonzalez (P), Seabold 3 Winckowski, McDonough, Rosario, RHernandez, Bonaci, Decker, Lugo, Ward 2 Bleis, Potts, Valdez, Wong, Murphy, Gonzalez (OF), Lopez, Howlett, Bazardo, Cannon, Chacon, Rafaela

Mancini's value is diminished by his one year of control. I still aree.

Gotta love 8 Ks and 0 BBs in 5 IP. 60 Strikes- 29 Balls Welcome back... Chris Freakin' Sale!

BTV values the new Cubbies: Non Prospects 31 Contreras (1) 29 Hoerner (4) 28 Madrigal (5) 11 Heuer (5) Prospects: 40 Davis 23 Amaya 22 Marquez 22 Hernandez 18 Crow-Armstrong 13 Preciado 11 Wicks

BTV gives these values to the top O's: Non Prospects (Yrs of control after 2021): 47 Mullins (3) 40 Means (3) 23 Mountcastle (5) 19 Hays (3) 18 Mancini (1) 15 Fry (3) 12 Scott (3) Prospects: 83 Rutschman 40 Rodriguez 33 Hall 24 Cowser 24 Henderson 17 Kjerstad

There is a third M- Means.

Put this away, Rafael!

Sale's Velocity charts: 2010-2019: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/chris-sale/10603/graphs?pitchgraphs=true&statArr=&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&start=2010&end=2019&rtype=mult&gt1=15&dStatArray=FA&ymin=&ymax= 2016-2019: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/chris-sale/10603/graphs?pitchgraphs=true&statArr=&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&start=2016&end=2019&rtype=mult&gt1=15&dStatArray=FA&ymin=&ymax= You can see better on the 2017-2018 charts: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/chris-sale/10603/graphs?pitchgraphs=true&statArr=&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&start=2017&end=2018&rtype=mult&gt1=15&dStatArray=FA&ymin=&ymax=

All-in-all, a pretty good game by Sale. 70 pitches- 47 strikes. He hit 95 a couple time, I think. The dinger was not good, but I'm glad to see him back. His presence in the clubhouse has to give us a big boost, too.

The thing about Price was that he and Scherzer were two of the best FA starters to come along in a pretty wide window. Once we failed to pounce on Scherzer, I think we had to sign Price. The other thing was that when you sign an aging pitcher like Price to 8 years, you really want some big bangs in the first few years. I never saw it. Sure, he had some good years and key moments, but he was far from Scherzer.

I'm not doubting your reasons for liking Sevi's chances and timeline over Sale, but I still find it kinda funny. Plus, I tried to tell you Sale is no average patient.

The tax affects very few teams and players, especially the 3rd year part. The number one thing players should fight for, IMO, is greater pay equity. When 1 or two players can make more than a whole team, something is out of whack. Min wage should be tripled or quadrupled, time to reach arbs reduced and the amount of arb years, as well.

I'm looking forward to eventually seeing our best possible line-up of the season, real soon: 1. Enrique Hernandez CF 2. Alex Verdugo LF 3. Xander Bogaerts SS 4. Rafael Devers 3B 5. J.D. Martinez DH 6. Kyle Schwarber 1B 7. Hunter Renfroe RF 8. Kevin Plawecki C 9. Christian Arroyo 2B (on IL right now)

2021 Sox Current Records: 67-51 Boston (5th best in AL/8th in MLB) 46-40 Worcester (10th best in league) 52-34 Portland (2nd best in league) 46-41 Greenville (5th best) 51-36 Salem (3rd best)

Can you name a time any Sox GM traded away that many top 20 prospects in such a short time? Can you not see how someone might say what he did was extreme, beyond thinking it was worth it or not? The fact is, it was rather extreme to trade so many prospects in such a short time. Prospects traded (top soxprospects.com ranking)- not saying all these guys were great or even ended up being good, or if the tardes worked or not, but the sheer number traded was clearly extreme. (Also, some of these prospects ranking were way lower when traded.) 1 Yoan Moncada (.822 OPS since 2019) 1 Blake Swihart 3 Manuel Margot (.694 career OPS, but plus defender and .895 in playoffs) 3 Anderson Espinoza 5 Michael Kopech (2.53 ERA in 46 IP, this year/3.12 career) 5 Jalen Beeks (4.23ERA w TBR) 6 Javier Guerra 7 Luis Ax Basabe 9 Marcus Dubon (.700 OPS in 450 PAs) 11 Shaun Anderson 12 Travis Shaw (not a prospect when traded) 12 Wendell Rijo 13 Logan Allen 18 Luis Aj Basabe 18 Jamie Callahan 20 Carlos Asuaje 20 Stephen Nogosek 20 Gerson Bautista Ty Buttrey (had 3.86 ERA w LAA '19-'20)

Taking shots at one particular aspect of his time with the Sox is far from calling him a "bum." Many of us love what he did for us while realizing it led to some pain and rebuilding afterwards. It does not have to be all black and white. Overall, I think DD was a clear plus, yet I'm often accused of being one of his biggest bashers, because I refuse to sugarcoat the affects he had on the team, now.

Sure he does. No doubt. Given the reset demands of 2020 and the budget constraints on his second year, having a ring already would have been a miracle. Although some view 2013 as a "miracle," I don't think Bloom should be judged, at this point in time, by the number of rings he has. He seems to be doing a better-than-expected job at rapidly rebuilding the farm. The 2021 40 man roster looks deeper than fall 2019 or Spring 2020. The results of the 2021 Red Sox team and their farm teams have been incredibly unexpected and positive. Yes, he has some big goals to achieve to gain the accolades the previous 3 Sox GMs have earned, but he seems to be heading in the right direction. I, for one, did not expect such a quick turn around under the increasingly difficult framework MLB has imposed on winning and high-spending teams. Some posters expected up to 90 losses, this year, and winning 90 may not be equal to winning a ring with a nice foundation left by the previous GM or two, ut it is quite an achievement and a great sign of things to come. Bloom has had just 2 drafts and 2 off seasons to rebuild the farm and 40 man roster with a very limited budget. He has added the following pieces to the farm in just 2 years: Draft: Mayer, Yorke, McDonough, Jordan, Hickey, Drohan, Wu-Yelland & others. IFA: H Sawamura, Miguel Blies, Winkelman Gonzalez, Enderso Lira (no sugar coating the lack of advances here) Trades: Downs, Seabold, Wong, Winckowski, Ro Hernandez, J Rosario, H Potts He's certainly swung and missed on a bunch of low profile FA signings as well as some moderate signings, but what can be expected when you are given a limited budget and 10-15 forty man roster slots to fill. Bloom's biggest FA signing, so far, ranks 31 in total money spent since 1991. 31. Enrigue Hernandez $14M/2 40. Garrett Richards $10M/1 55. Martin Perez $6M/1 (2020) 64. Martin Perez $5M/1 (2021) 79. Hunter Renfroe $3.1M (still has 2 arbs) 80. Mitch Moreland $3M/1 (2020) 80. Marwin Gonzalez $3M/1 (2021) $2.1M Andriese (+ option for 2022) $1.75M D Santana (pro-rated for partial time in minors) $900K Plawecki (2020) arb raise to $1.6M in 2021 Other notable players acquired by trade: Pivetta (Wormna & Hembree) Verdugo (Betts) Ottavino & F German & cash (nothing) Schwarber (A Ramirez) Y Rios (Cash) Waivers: Arroyo Rule 5: Whitlock, Arauz, K Ort, T Reed

No, of course not. The point is the resets always come, even with the Dodgers, and fans will gripe when that time comes. That time is now for the Sox. Gripes abound.

Not all the best young players make the top 20 Sox Prospects lists, but here is a sampling of the best ranked prospects at these snapshots in time: Fall 2003: Lester Youkilis HRam Shoppach David Murphy Fall 2011: Bogey Barnes Doubront A Wilson Iggy (Betts was unranked) Fall 2015: Devers Moncada Beni Kopach Espinoza Margot Chavis L Allen, Dubon, Marco Hernandez Fall 2019 Houck Dalbec Casas Mata Groome Jimenez, Chatham, Ward, Bello Kalish Middy Jorge de la Rosa

Okay, we're still 5 back of the impressive Rays, but we are tied for 4th in AL wins and just 1 game back on the A's. We remain 2.5 up on the Yanks, and although the one up in the loss column seems frightening, what about the Yanks, makes anyone think they will win all 3 games they have to play more than us? Toronto is playing the M's, so one is going to lose, today and tomorrow. The Yanks had a rare Friday off and here is today's slate of games: BAL (Jorge Lopez) @ BOS (Chris Sale) TBR (TBD) @ MN (Maeda) NYY (Taillon) @ CWS (Cease) HOU (Garcia) @ LAA (Barria) TOR (Ryu) @ SEA (Kikuchi)

It's funny how you claim all the guys DD traded away amounted to nothing all that good, but are also claiming DD's prospects left behind, who have done nothing, except Houck's 8 starts in MLB are far from "bare." DD did leave Bloom a nice core of ML players, but they were also the ones who imploded in 2019, and some were past or nearing past prime years. The Price contract was a burden, and if you use hindsight judgement to grade out the prospects DD traded away, let's judge Price's productivity after DD left, JD's 2020 season, and JBJ's complete meltdown, a year after DD left. Also, nobody is claiming the guys DD traded away ended up doing great, so why keep bringing it up? Most of his trades look good to great, in hindsight, but that does not mean he couldn't have done better or that the farm he left was worse than the one he inherited. The one he left Bloom is clearly not a good one. It's not "empty," but are you saying the ranking of 25 to 30 is incorrect? Was the rankings back when Ben and DD inherited their farms wrong, too? Were they way off?

Strawman. Nobody is calling DD a bum. Not even close. Most of us realize a lot of good things happened thanks to him, and that some of those good things had some bad consequences. Some feel those consequences greatly cut into his overall grade, some think not by much, and some seem to think it had no effect on where we were in 2020 and now. The few posters who seem to think his legacy might have been an overall negative are not discounting everything he did or calling him a bum.