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I think we acquire 5-7 players that need placement on the 40 man roster. Add 3-6 Rule 5's and someone has to go. Multiple someones.

35 Players on Our 40 Man Roster (No ERod/ Yes JD- for now) (33without Perez & Richards) Listed in order of 40 man roster seniority... Vaz Bogey Barnes Sale Devers JD Brasier Eovaldi Taylor DHern Dalbec Arauz Perez (team option likely to be declined) Plawecki Verdugo Valdez Pivetta (Wow! #17 in roster seniority and acquired last summer!) Arroyo Houck Bazardo Mata Groome Wong Seabold Rosario Potts Whitlock Renfroe Kike Richards (team option likely declined) Sawamura R Hernandez Duran Davis Locastro Red= borderline DFA/Trade candidates Blue= options

Makes me wonder, if he is working on a longer term deal, as we speak.

MLBTR headlines: The Giants Are Set For One Of The Busiest (And Maybe Biggest-Spending) Offseasons Of Any Team Astros Offer Carlos Correa Five-Year, $160MM Contract

It's funny. And, we didn't even know Whitlock would be Whitlock until a month or so into the season.

Today is the last day for teams to issue qualifying offers to eligible free agents. Teams must make their decisions by 4pm CT, but the identities of some QO free agents have already been reported or even officially announced by their respective clubs. We’ll update this list throughout the day, but here are the players who already know will be getting the one-year, $18.4MM deal… Nick Castellanos, Reds Michael Conforto, Mets Robbie Ray, Blue Jays Corey Seager, Dodgers Marcus Semien, Blue Jays Trevor Story, Rockies Noah Syndergaard, Mets More on QOs from MLBTR... These players now have until November 17 to decide whether or not to accept the offer. If they accept, they’ll receive $18.4MM next season, and can’t be traded until June 15, 2022. They also won’t be eligible to receive a qualifying offer in any future trips to free agency (players are also ineligible for the qualifying offer if they haven’t spent at least one full season with their current team). Since the qualifying offer system was introduced in the 2012-13 offseason, 10 of the 96 players to receive a QO have taken the deal. If a player rejects the qualifying offer, draft pick compensation is now attached to their market, unless they re-sign with their former team. Teams who sign a QO free agent will have to surrender at least one draft pick, and potentially some international bonus pool money depending on their status as revenue-sharing recipients or whether or not they exceeded the luxury tax threshold. (Here is the list of what every team would have to give up to sign a QO free agent.) If a QO free agent signs elsewhere, that player’s former team receives a compensatory draft pick based on this criteria…. A draft pick after Competitive Balance Round B will be awarded if the team losing the free agent did not receive revenue sharing or if the free agent in question signed a contract worth less than $50MM in guaranteed money. A draft pick after Round 1 will be awarded if the team losing the free agent received revenue sharing and the free agent in question signed for more than $50MM. A draft pick after Round 4 will be awarded if the team losing the free agent paid luxury tax penalties in the preceding season. As always, several factors are weighed by both teams and players about whether or not to issue or accept qualifying offers. This winter provides yet another wrinkle — this could be the final year of the current qualifying offer system due to the expiration of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement on December 1. It is widely expected that the owners could lock out the players if a new deal isn’t reached by that date. In the event of a lockout, MLB would institute a roster freeze on all transactional business involving Major League players, thus bringing the free agent market to a halt. With this deadline looming, it is possible we could see some QO recipients (those less certain of landing big multi-year contracts) choose to accept the one-year deal in order to guarantee themselves some financial and contractual security prior to a possible lockout. By that same token, this could make teams warier about extending the qualifying offer to certain players due to a larger suspicion that they would accept…or perhaps a player’s willingness to accept could make a team more inclined to issue a QO to a so-called borderline case.

True. Technically, it's not a debate. You do both. The debate is only what ERod chooses to do: take the offer or try to get a better longer deal- perhaps with the Sox. He may have already gotten some idea of what they are willing to give, longer term.

I always think that, but it hardly ever happens. I think every team is looking at some sort of roster crunch. Of course the real bad teams might view our borderline players as better than their 39 or 40th players, but I would not claim our bottom of the 40 man roster is much better than average. Ideally, we'd make a couple 3 for 1 trades, which would allow us to protect everyone with a significant chance of being Rule 5 selected or claimed, if we DFA them as well as having room for a few FAs and players like Locastro- as there may be more out there, like him, to be plucked from the waiver wire. Waiver deals are some of Bloom's better deals (Arroyo, Valdez, Shaw, Iggy...)

I have made the point that we have way fewer slots to fill, this winter vs last, and we have Rule 5 players to add and maybe Casas and Seabold adding something to the 2022 26 man roster, but I can't see us signing or trading for less than 3-4 significant players to the 26. Then, we may also add some minor league depth that requires 40 man roster inclusion.

On a team with so few good pitching prospects, Bello is one of the best. To me, he's the flip side of Crawford. He's good enough to keep, for sure, and the question is mostly about will other teams take him- knowing he likely will not pitch much at all in the bigs in 2022.

A guy with an improving K rate of 10.2 (A+)> 11.9 (AA)> 12.5 (AAA) would likely be taken by someone willing to lose chump change, if he fails. The only issue, to me, is if Bloom likes him better than others fighting for the 40th slot and in danger of being selected or claimed off waivers. I'm pretty certain Crawford will be picked, if left unprotected.

Come on, Bell! All bloom needs to do is find 12 more Whitlocks, this winter! Then spend $100M on everyday players.

Yes, and one year commitments are much easier to handle, if they don't work out. Like Richards and Kluber. To me the debate is about the one year QO vs a longer term deal.- perhaps at a slightly lower AAV.

Bello is 150% protected. I could see Crawford being put in the "nearly certain" category, and I have not "committed" to anything more than 4 (3 without Crawford), but I'm pretty certain we go 5-6. What happened to your Jimenez band wagon?

Not really. It was that COVID taxi squad thingy. I think.

You were making strong cases for Jimenez, and now you are trying to say only 3 will be protected? (Maybe 4?)

Honestly, I'm not sure what much of this means. ERod is far from mediocre. He hasn't won because of exceptional run support. He actually won, this year, with the highest BAbip of any starter on the team. As for the $100M, that's the fantasy part. If Bloom is given half of that much to spend, I'll be shocked. As for "no imagination," I did a similar all out spending scenario, myself but called it something like "fantasy."

If nobody claims Cottam, we can keep him, anyway. We can also DFA Plawecki and have the same amount of catchers on the roster (4).

This is not the fantasy thread.

He said "no." Sounds like he's over him.

Dodgers pay Joe Kelly $4M as buy out for $12M option. Not surprising.

Losing a second round pick and a little money from the pool is not all that big a deal when compared to gaining a player worthy of a QO, especially the Correas and Semiens.

CWS exercise $16M option on Kimbrel. Does this help set the market for top FA RP'ers?

Good point. All the more reason to do our best to keep ERod, although, if we give the QO, he declines and signs elsewhere, we'd get a pick for losing him and then losing our 2nd pick by signing a FA with a QO would be a wash. I found this... Competitive Balance Tax Payors: Dodgers, Padres If either of these teams signs a qualified free agent from another team, it must forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest pick in the 2022 draft. The team will also have its international signing bonus pool reduced by $1MM. Both teams could plausibly sign a qualified free agent, though the Dodgers have significantly more payroll space. Revenue Sharing Recipients: Brewers, Diamondbacks, Guardians, Marlins, Mariners, Orioles, Pirates, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Royals, Tigers, Twins These 13 teams received revenue sharing and did not exceed the competitive balance tax. If one of these teams signs a qualified free agent, it forfeits its third-highest pick. These teams face the smallest draft pick penalty. Of this group, the Mariners and Tigers seem to be the most likely to sign a qualified free agent, but others like the Twins and Marlins are possible. All Other Teams: Angels, Astros, Athletics, Blue Jays, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Giants, Mets, Nationals, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox, White Sox, Yankees These 15 remaining teams would forfeit their second-highest pick and and have their international signing bonus pool reduced by $500K. The penalty is something of a middle ground. The Mets are of particular note: due to their failure to sign Kumar Rocker, they pick at both #11 and #14 in 2022, making that #14 pick subject to forfeiture. What happens if a team signs two qualified free agents? The CBA calls for forfeiture of the next highest available draft pick. For example, if a team has already lost its second and fifth-highest picks and it signs a second qualified free agent, it would lose its third and sixth-highest picks. So as in the past, if you’ve already signed one qualified free agent, the draft pick cost to sign another is reduced.

I see 4 as certain: Bello Downs Crawford Winckowski 2 as near certain: Feltman Santos Maybe 3+ as possibilities: Jimenez Ward Cottam (non-tender Plawecki?)