moonslav59

Exactly, but what business owner chooses to make $100M less, if he spends maybe $91M, instead of $90M?

The consensus is Paxton takes $4M?

I don't think the Sox have ever gone 3 straight years over the line, and now the penalties are even stiffer than under Theo's reign. I'm going to assume it is a top priority, but not set in stone. If they think "this is the year," whenever that year is, they may break the rule. I'm not sure it is locked into 3 years, either. If they don't feel "this is the year," they may reset after 1 or 2 years. As we stand, right now, they may view 2024 as a better chance at being "the year" than 2023, so they may re-set, this winter. If the reset has to happen by year 3, then the team may be looking at the optimal 2 year window and think '24-'25 looks better than '23-'24. Who knows? If I had to pick which window looks better, I'd go with '24-'25, but management has other concerns to deal with- like fans ready to not renew their NESN subscriptions or season tickets. That is real issue. The big question, IMO, is whether top management thinks we can re-set, this winter, and still put a team on the field that attracts fan attention enough to reach their financial profit goal.

But wasn't he "just a utility guy?" LOL! (Just razzin' ya.)

I get the feeling you will always think you are "in a window." I'm not saying it is unwarranted. You guys have some top prospects just about due for arrival. There is good reason to think your window can extend beyond '21-'22. The problem goes way beyond keeping Judge or not. Look at the rest of the offense, and now you pen is losing some key pieces from the last 2-4 years. Sure, if you retool, your window can stay open, but a lot of teams can apply that "if" and be even or ahead of the Yanks. I still think your best bet was from 2021-2022 and your next best bet is after Volpe and others arrive. You guys can spend like maniacs, this winter to stay a top contender, but I'm not sure topo management will okay it.

The Paxton deal, itself, put us over the tax line, as did the JBJ trade. Take either one back, and our future financial outlook looks much better. Thanks, Bloom!

This may be true, but your best window was 21 to 22.

I enjoyed watching him play, here. He always seemed to try his hardest and was a good utility player for most of his time in Boston. That 2015 season he played these amounts of games at these positions 58 2B (49 GS) 33 3B (24) 21 RF (20) 14 LF (8) 11 SS (7) 8 1B (5) 2 CF (2) 1 DH (1)

Not me. I don't know about you. I know I don't. I come here to talk about the Sox and not start dates of posters- like it matters.

Yup, caring about this and going through all this effort is more proof you have bigger problems than I do.

If your brain remembers that kind of nonsense, you have bigger problems than I do.

Looks like the Poster of the Year Award list of nominations.

Too funny!

Wow, 2012 was a killer. Nothing much since then. (Thanks for the info.)

UZR/150 captures it nicely: +0.3 DPR +0.4 RngR -0.8 ErrR 0.0 overall

Your true colors shining...

I think you subtract the $4M going forward. We paid $4M on the tax line in 2022 for the future option. That is subtracted, I believe.

No, I meant if we give him the option. No way he takes the $4M.

I don't think so. I think the new AAV for tax purposes would be $24M/2 or $12M a year.

2020 High Leverage OPS Against by Sox RP'ers .382 Whitlock (70 PAs) .558 Schreiber (119) .610 Strahm (76) .664 Barnes (64) .690 Houck (80) Late & Close .488 Schreiber (45) .544 Barnes (20) .602 Houck (29) .753 Ort (20) .758 Whitlock (27) Career OPS Against High Leverage/ Late & Close .509/.601 Whitlock .694/.659 Houck

LMAO. You just bashed me for paying attention to this type of thing. You crack me up. Also, you listed a group of names we might want to sign. notin listed two specific names we should sign. You can' see the difference? C'Mon man!

Cots: Paxton: 22:$6M, 23:$4M player option or 23-24 club options, to be exercised or declined simultaneously, at annual salaries of $13M plus performance bonuses earned in 2022 2022 performance bonuses: $250,000 each for 12, 14, 16, 18 starts annual performance bonuses for 2023-24, if options are exercised: $250,000 each for 20, 22, 24, 26 starts, less 2022 bonuses earned I'm a bit confused about the Paxton contract and options. It is my understanding he counted as $10M on the tax line, this year and earned $6M in 2022. That mean's he gets $4M, if the option is declined, right? If so, that means the choice is basically: $4M to go away or $26M/2 The net difference makes it essentially $24M/2.

I put "non tender" next to Brasier and Cordero. Chang and Almonte barely get paid more than the min, so they are not adding much to the total. We may end up replacing Brasier's $2.3M estimated arb number with someone like previous additions Andriese and Diekman. I'm fine with saying the starting point is about $130M. (That is also assuming no Paxton option.)

Yes, the rare good ones- agreed.

He was basically a placeholder for the kids. His time is up.