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Wink hasn't been to impressive, but at times, he looked like he might become a useful middle innings eater. I'm starting to think 20 year old Luis de la Rosa is the best bet to salvage something from the trade, and that's not a good thing. He's been in our system 3 years and is not in SP's top 60 prospect rankings. As of now, Bloom's best trade appears to be the Workman & Hembree for Pivetta & Seabold trade. Others that still hold some promise: German (w Ottavino) McGuire for Diekman (a plus just dumping Diek) Wallace for Pillar EValdez & Abrue for Vaz (solely promise) Hosmer (for free), Ferguson & Rosier for Groome (stab in the dark) Depending on how you choose to evaluate a trade: 60 games of Betts for 5 years of Dugo and hopes on Wong & Downs. Many see this as a bad trade, and I can understand their position. The Beni trade looks bad, for now. The JBJ trade looks hopelessly horrific. (The Moreland trade gave us nothing (Potts & J Rosario.) Hard to give an overall grade on just trades, but probably a C- is being generous. It could change to a C+ or B- with some luck, but it could also become a clear D or D-.

I'm thinking... Taillon Nate Quintana Kluber (Heaney seems to be close to signing with the Jays, I think.) Is he still looking for the next Martin Perez- the 2022 version?

...and if Bloom is right about adding 8-9 players, that's probably 4-6 more than most teams will add. Word is Dalbec is being shopped and the Rays are interested.

Good sign: we did not get him. (I don't think he fits our biggest 5-6 needs- nor does Contreras.) Bad sign: "Being in" on free agents might mean we are far away on all our bids, and won't pay what it takes to get who we want- even if an overpay. Bloom's setting value seems to be pretty far down from what other GMs are setting, except for Chris Martin, who he paid more than Estevez got (a guy some had ranked higher than Martin.)

Still lots to choose from, and some teams might now be less inclined to spend big on a second FA. We knew the Phillies were going to get a top 3 SS. We pretty much knew we weren't choosing this winter to go large on a SP'er like deGrom or Verlander. It's easy to start feeling down while watching other teams make big splash signings, but I'm hopeful, despite Blooms statements about wanting to add 8-9 players.

Who does he think he is, ARod? No, wait...

MLBTR Bloom speaks... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/chaim-bloom-on-bogaerts-pitching-offseason-additions.html Globe reports: Tommy Kahle is another pen target. Reports are that the Sox offered Abreu low to mid 40's. (He signed for $59.5/3) It appears we were not close. (Not a good sign.) Bloom says we may add 2+ pen arms. Team wants to add 7-9 players, including 3-4 position players. One SP'er who "can bring upside, leadership and consistency to the rotation, as well as innings." Bloom pushed back on the notion of "no competitive offer" made to Bogey, saying " “have certainly made offers to him, we’ve been engaged, and we’ll stay engaged.” Bogey is still "a chief priority." Bloom also noted Story or Kike could play SS, if Bogey departs. Nate and Wacha are "both still possibilities."

Unsigned Free Agents (MLBTR Rankings) QO: Non Red Sox QO: Red Sox 1. Judge 2. Correa 4. Bogey 5. Swanson 6. Rodon 9. Nimmo 10. Contreras 11. Senga 13. Bassitt 14. Taillon 15. Benintendi 17. Manaea 21. Syndergaard 23. Eovaldi 24. T Rogers 25. JD Martinez 26. Vazquez 27. Jansen 30. Quintana 33. Profar 37. Drury 38. Stripling 39. Chafin 40. Segura 41. Wacha 42. Robertson 43. Brantley 44. Conforto 45. Ottavino 47. J Turner 48. Kluber 50. Rucinski Others: Andrus, Belt, Carpenter, Cueto, A Diaz, Fujinami, Fulmer, Gallo, Greinke, Kiermaier, Kimbrel, Longoria, Lugo, Mancini, Moore, Peterson, G Sanchez, Smyly Only a few are gone, and we really had no chance at deGrom, Verlander or Turner. Updated

I didn't think we had room for 9-10 players at $9-10M each.

Certainly, this winter has `been exciting... ...for many other teams.

Kike and Martin are but ripples.

That's less than Chris Martin got.

I'm looking at some metrics, other than UZR/150 that show Swanson is better than Bogey. I admit, I'm going totally by taking all the metrics, together and I feel it shows Swanson is clearly better than Bogey on D, despite the weaker arm. If I'm wrong, then it's Andrus, because I doubt Correa is even on the table. (He would be on my table.) He's more than a year younger, so that's another reason. If Bogey signs for 8 years and Swanson 6, and both move off SS at lets say age 33, Bogey plays SS 2 or 3 of 8 years and Swanson plays SS 3 or 4 years out of 6. That's a major percentage differential.

I would be, too. I don't think we need 7 more players. I'd prefer we spend more on 3-4 or maybe 5 more. For three years, we've had to focus on quantity over quality due to the amount of weak slots on the 40, tight winter spending budgets until Story and a directive to build the farm that often lessened the MLB return on some trades. I thought the Story signing was a sign the tide was turning. I'm fine with the Kike and Martin moderate signings, but I fully expected a splash or two. I guess we could call the Contreras addition as a "splash," but it might not even happen, and I have catcher at slot 6 or 7 on my high need list for the winter. Nate & Senga are not really "splash signings." Conforto, Jansen and Fulmer would be upgrades over what we had, last year, but I don't think our improvement on paper would match the expense paid.

Maybe the only geam telling him he's their SS for life.

1. Longer than Bogey 2. Less money and years than Bogey. 3. We gain a pick by losing Bogey and lose one for signing Swanson. Not as bad as it looks.

Good one! Bloom needs a miracle from Hamilton or Binelas to be grafted back to the vine. Serious long shots. Horrific trade on so many levels, and that's not hindsight, on my behalf.

Agreed. With Verdugo's stagnation, the Betts trade looks worse than before. Getting just a comp pick may be the worst move (non move) of all. There is still some hope for Wink, de la Rosa and maybe Hamilton/Binelas, but the rest look like duds.

I meant to leave Bassitt off the list. How is this? Contreras (not my top choice, but the Sox are looking at upgrading catcher) Senga Nate Conforto (1 yr) Andrus (2 yrs) Jansen Fulmer Hill (1/2 yr) Angry or just somewhat disappointed?

So, angry?

He never seems to realize you need to step it up during a window time period. Now, you may lose Judge, and the window is not so open. I don't think he should have pulled a DD, but he could have made one or two more deals to improve your chances. We've heard you bitch ab out him, a lot. This last post almost sounds flattering. You like the extension or not?

That or it improved the return from meh to double meh.

Oh! The good ole days!

I seriously doubt we are even a finalist on Judge.

Andrus Bassitt Nate Contreras Conforto Jansen (Martin & Kike already added) We are all angry?