moonslav59

I have already said it very well might be true. Strawman, again.

I called it speculation: you called it "conspiracy theory." I could probably find a respectable media person who said something like, "The Sox never wanted to pay the current market value for Bogey." I just won't bother looking.

I'd take a few Koss-like gambles and free up some roster slots. Agreed, Ort would just be DFA'd. I do think we might get a better player than Koss for a Duran + Downs + Dhern package. Maybe a Winckowski or E Valdez type or a non 40 man roster type like Wikelman, Lugo or Jordan/Kavadas.

Personally, I'd never even try imagining such things or think about them, if reading some posts here forced the thought on me.

This explains your thought process to a tee.

I didn't say you called any opinions tupid, but the way you react shows utter contempt for many. You recently called an opinion I qualified as total speculation a "conspiracy theory." I'm not sure which is worse. Again, you say social media does not affect your opinion, then prove the opposite is true.

A real tough feat.

I know it's not easy finding a team that is looking to take 2-3 players from the 40 man roster for 1 of there own, and who thing any combination of these guys are better than the players on the bottom of their 40, but I'd love to see us trade 3-4 of these guys for 1-2 slightly better players or prospects that don't need to be on the 40. Duran Downs Brasier DHern Ort Taylor (if we don't think he can return to form) maybe one or two from Crawford, Seabold or Winckowski This makes room for 2-4 more signings or additions through trades.

We've seen plenty of AAA players with super high OBPs not transfer that to the bigs, but low K rates seem to be something that is an innate skill that does not rely as heavily on the skills of opposing pitcher upgrades from one leve to the enxt. We will see, soon enough.

Of course this is social media. I'm not the one denying talk shows are not. As you like to say, "Where did I ever say this site is not social media?" I'm not the one acting like what any social media site's perceived majority thinks matters all that much. BTW, can you do me a favor, even I don't deserve one from you, please answer the Q at the end of post #471?

We have no way of knowing if his skillset will transfer well to MLB, but it's adan good approach that this team was seriously lacking, last year. maybe it can rub off on some of the free-swinging players who helped sink the team, this year. maybe not. I respect the effort to improve in this area, despite the obvious risks. I also like the idea of stocking up on lefties. Several recent rule changes have aided their production projections. No more loogies. No more shifts.

...and calling us a cult is so civil and respectful.

So, when you think an opinion is stupid, it's all about everyone having a right to an opinion. When another thinks you're opinion is stupid, it's some sort of derangement syndrome. Who is being intolerant of varying opinions, here? The cult or those seeing those who disagree as a cult?

A very realistic concern that all of us share. Some players do very well. Some do not. There is no tool we can use to be sure about anything, but there is no tool that say Syndergaard or deGrom will earnt their pay, either. Sure, we seem to know what they can and might so, if healthy by a wider margin than we know about Yoshida, but there is risk with every signing. Looking at his numbers in Japan, one could say he's worth twice what we paid for him. We paid him half, because of the risk. Maybe, we could have gotten him for a third. Maybe, it's probable we could have. If he works out, I won't be bothered by the "outbid." If he sucks, I'll blast the move like I did the JBJ, Diekman and other deals I disliked from day one and those I came to dislike in hindsight. There are plenty. There will likely be more. Maybe this one- maybe not.

Back then he had an answer he felt people might accept. I still don't get your fascination with social media while denying it influences your positions.

Thanks for bringing laughter to me day.

I wouldn't use the term "bothered," but of course I am concerned based on the risk of this sort of signing being higher than a MLB player. BTW, you just said, "I’m not against the signing...," so where are we in disagreement? I, too, would like to have gotten him for cheaper, if we could have, but if we got what we wanted and he earns the money, I'm not going to stress over it.

Hits are usually better than walks, but OBP includes hits, too. I'd rather have... BA/OBP .280/.350 than .290/.333

Does it matter? If they didn't count it, they'd have just adjusted the tax line down by $16M.

We are not sure we were "way above" everyone, but the bidding always stops when the agent thinks nothing bigger is forthcoming. If it turns out our offer was $10, $20 or $30M more than anyone else would have offered, that would be unfortunate and worthy of someone calling it "stupid." but if we got the guy we wanted, and he works out well, it won't bother me much. I will say, I wish we had $3-6M more in AAV to spend, this winter, had we been able to get him for much cheaper.

Maybe another offer was never made for a reason none of us know- like knowing BorA$$ would laugh at it.

I have agreed, all long, and I like Story and liked the Story signing, and still do. I think Bogey was worth more. I think my final top offer suggestion was $170M/7. If the Sox did not value him even that much, I disagree with them and would say that was a mistake. If they felt $160M/6 was tops, I wouldn't get upset they didn't go $170-180/7. My point is they might have thought he was worth what you said, but knew the offer was nowhere close to what he'd accept, so they never officially made that offer. A possible conversation? BorA$$: We won't start serious talks with you, unless you can come close to $180/7 or $200M/8. Bloom: We were thinking of counter our lame initial offer to $160/6 to maybe $165M/6 or $180M/7, can we start from there? BorA$$: You are not even close. Sox brass huddles and determines one or both of these determinations: 1. We don't think he'll be offered $200M/8, so let's wait it out and see if his price drops. (They would have been grossly wrong with this.) 2. We don't think he's worth a penny more than $180/7, and if another team offers that, we will not go higher, so why even offer $200M/8, if we don't want to pay it or think he's worth that to us, since we have our SS of the future coming up soon, and Bogey will be upset, if we move him off SS. Can you please answer, if you think something like this could be what happened? If yes, does that change how you'd feel about what the Sox ended up doing, beyond the point I agree with you on about trading him earlier, if we saw this coming.

If nobody else had time to bid or just a few did, I'm not sure how he outbid so many teams "by a lot." Look, maybe he did. I don't know. Some reports say he did. I think the same was said of the Theo-Dice K deal and posting fee. I hope this works out better than Dice-K, but we'll probably find out, pretty quickly. Overpay and outbid are not the same things, and before you say, "Where did I say it was," I know you didn't say or imply that. It's not like Bloom is the only GM to overpay someone, this winter, if that is what he did. It seems like the biggest beef against Bloom & Co. beyond not keeping our beloved stars is that he's not outbidding anyone for talented players. Here he did, and he still can't win.

They don't seem to disclose anything.

If BorA$$ thought that offer was "lowball," which I don't think it would have been- back then, he might have leaked it.