moonslav59
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I'm not saying the Sox won't get him, but I'm hoping for better.
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Brantley just signed with HOU. What about J Turner for a DH? (Not that I want us spending there.)
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Maybe, you guys will finally go "above and beyond" to set yourselves up as the faves. They key might end up being deadline decisions.
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Just a few of the prospects that came up in the "good ole days:" 2004: Youkilis 2005: Papelbon, HRam & Schoppach 2006: Pedroia & Lester 2007: Buchholz & Ellsbury 2008: Lowrie & Masterson 2009: D Bard 2010: Nava & Doubront 2011: Reddick & Iggy 2012: Middlebrook 2013: Bogaerts, Workman & Alex Wilson 2014: Betts, Vaz & JBJ 2015: ERod, T Shaw & Barnes 2016: Beni 2017: Devers 2018: B Johnson & H Velazquez 2019: Chavis, Walden & Josh Taylor 2020: Houck & Dalbec 2021: Duran 2022 (late): Bello & Casas
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If he's that good, we have no chance at getting him. I do wonder why a bad team would dump him, unless they know more about his health than we do. I'm tired of hoping injured players have one healthy year, or that they all do, at the same time.
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Maybe the negative results were a direct result of having just a very few prospects even called up to get a look, since Devers, and the "results" of just having one, Houck, a success story or something "positive" was the expectation. It's funny how those who saw this coming were called out for being negative or overly negative, and now the expected results came upon us, and the roles have switched. Call-up since Devers in 2017: Chavis Shawaryn Lakins DHern Dalbec Duran Houck Downs This 5 year list looks worse than the Aug '22 to July '23 list rates to be. I choose to see this aspect as being a positive thing. Others choose negativity over and over.
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I never said most were going to be great. I commented on the fact that this is the "most" we've had in many years and those some of the lower ones may earn a role in support. The top 11 or 12 do not suck. Yes, they are not big trade bait. The top 5-6 look good enough to at least fill supporting roles with 3-4 of the group winning key roles as not only being possible but more like probable. It may take longer than 2023 to prove it, and my statement was about 2023, but I like Casas, Bello, Mata and one from the rest to be helpful in '23. I don't think I'm choosing anything outlandish, but I'm not choosing doom & gloom on every aspect of the Sox just because we lost Bogey and have not added much else. People choose negativity.
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Never even "decent?"
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JBJ's OPS+ was 75 before last year.Anderson's O is tumbling like JBJ's was.
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Is Segura still a decent SS on D?
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Maybe our best trade options are... 1. Someone like Dugo plus a decent but not great prospect for a better RF'er, Pivetta and a prospect for a better SP.... 2. Take on a salary dump to lessen what we need to give up in return. 3. Take on a straight salary dump, like Ottavino & German, 2 winters ago. 4. Just keep building the farm and punt away 2023.
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Doesn't move the needle for me. He's JBJ redux. You don't like Michael A Taylor?
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Even 5 is 5 more than 4 of the last 5 years produced and 4 more than the year Houck came up and the year Devers came up (2017). Also, 6-11 are good enought o produce 2, maybe 3, "ROLE PLAYERS." People choose to see the worst in everything.
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,,and that seems like just further patchwork additions to "bridge to the kids."
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Dugo and Duran or Dalbec/Winckowski/Seabold/Murphy for a better RH'd RF'er than Refsnyder. If Mayer is "it," what can Romero fetch us? (I feel it's better to hold onto Romero, at least until his value grow. If he ends up sucking, his current value is not so high that he'd bring us a high impact player.
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I keep hearing how fewer and fewer players will want to play for the Sox due to how they treat their players, especially outgoing ones. We heard how they mistreated Vaz, yet Vaz reached out to the Sox, before signing to see if they were interested in bringing him back. They said no. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/red-sox-notes-vazquez-yoshida-rafaela.html Sidenote: while BTV can be criticized for many of the value numbers, this is intersting: -14.2 Vaz (He signed for $30, so his "value" is pegged at $15.8M for 2 years) +6.5 McGuire (Estimated salary of $6.5M over 3 arbs and a "value" of $13M over 3 years.) So, Vaz is worth $7.9 x 2 and is paid $15 x 2. McGuire is worth $4.3M x 3 and will be paid $2.17M x 3. Wong is worth +$1.9M. Value is 4.9 and salary is projected to be $3M over 3 years. $1.6 value per year at $1M per year pay. Not sure what Plawecki's value is or will be.
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Michael Taylor is apparently available via trade. Would you like him in RF, or move Kike to 2B and keep MT in CF? What are your thoughts of trying to pry Singer from KC- maybe with Taylor in a blockbuster. Hard to see how we get Singer without losing Mayer or Casas or Bello, so I'm thinking slim to no chance. Brian Anderson is not a FA, right?
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Sounds all to familiar, and we've proven we don't learn from past mistakes.
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For sure, but when was the last time we said there are 12-16 prospects or recent grads expected to be given a significant chance to win a role on the team? Not counting Whitlock, Houck, Duran... 1. Bello 2. Casas 3. Mata 4. Rafaela (late '23) 5. Walter 6. Kelly 7. Crawford 8. German 9. E Valdez 10. Winckowski 11. Wong 12. Murphy 13. Seabold 14. Hamilton 15. Koss 16. R Fernandez 17. R Hernandez or S Scott 18. Ort or Shugart Okay, the bottom 12-20 look shaky, at best, and some of them may not get a chance in 2023, at all, let along a significant one, but there are hoped one or two of those bottom 8 may fill role or two. The top 8-11 offer better hopes, and we may just need 3-5 to do well and make a big impact on the 2023 team. I don't think hoping 5 out of 20 do well is dreaming.
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Not many thought replacing AGon & Beckett with Vic, Dempster, Napoli and S Drew made us better. We finished last in 2012 and the thought was we needed to get a lot better. Never say never, but it's not looking good.
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Watch us trade Devers for top prospects, then sign Drury (3B/DH), Andrus (SS), Conforto (RF) and Kluber (SP) and try to sell this as being competitive.
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My guess is, our biggest moves to finish the winter will be trades. Maybe we sign Kluber or Fulmer. Maybe we sign Andrus or Segura. Maybe we sign a RF'er, so Yoshida can mostly DH. It sure looks like things are shaping up to be a major disappointment, and maybe only a Devers extension can change the "major" to "moderate. If the extension starts in 2023, then it makes a little more sense of the budget restraint shown, so far, but there will still be a lot of money left on the table- a clear sign that 2023 was not meant to be a highly competitive year. Sad that we couldn't even get to mildly competitive.
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I think they will still reset every 3 years. Hal is no George. If others try to keep up with Cohen, like it appears SD, TX and PHI have attempted to do, watch out! Did you read the piece on MLBT how Cohen "missed out" on Correa. It's an interesting insight into negotiations. It looked like the Mets might jump into the bidding, late, but SF and BorA$$ were already "in too deep," that BorA$$ didn't even want to talk. (Strange for him.)
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They'd have to do a lot of wheeling and dealing to add other top talent- yeah right- to change that from becoming the near unanimous view by all Sox fans.
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I'd rather have someone who can play RF like Conforto over Brantley. I'd prefer Andrus over a 2B option, but the Sox will likely take the one who accepts a 1 year deal, so maybe Andrus is out of the picture. I say no to Nate. His contract will be too long and too large, as will others, of course, but I'd go with Kluber. My second choice would be to sign 2 from Fulmer, Rogers and Chaffin and make Houck our #3/4 SP'er. Roll the dice with Sale and Paxton in hopes they can time their IL stints to never coincide. The, assume they both will be good. 1. Sale/Paxton combo 2. Whitlock 3. Houck 4. Bello 5. Pivetta or 1. Sale/Houck 2. Whitlock 3. Kluber 4. Bello 5. Pivetta (Houck in the pen.)
