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So, as of now, our 13 opening day pitching staff might be… S1 Bello S2 Giolito S3 Crawford S4 Pivetta S5 Houck R1 Jansen R2 Martin R3 Winckowski R4 Whitlock R5 Schreiber R6 Slaten (rule 5) R7 Mata (out of options) The pen have good depth at AAA: Campbell Murphy Kelly Weissert Fitts Guerrero I think I’m forgetting someone
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Wong Maybe Abreu Longshot EValdez, Rosier, DHam…
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So, 2 more Pivettas and we’re all set!
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Only if Gio pitches better, and Sale goes 50 or less or 100-179.
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Sale might have a higher ceiling, but I would not say our rotation got worse by flipping Sale and Gio. At least we can expect 30 starts from Gio.
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Grissom is no longer a prospect, IMO. ENOUGH about the Yorke draft. If it ends up being a bust, add it to half the other first picks we’ve had and congrats on getting this one right.
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I feel the same way. Everything that can be said, already has been. Unless someone reveals more information, I think there is nothing more to be said.
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Well, our two major holes are still not filled, so my level of optimism is unchanged from a few days ago. I’m glad we found a 2Bman, and improved a roster slot on paper, so some action looks better than none, I guess.
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Yes we often say things that sound like we think it is fact. We leave off the “I think” we blew it. I do still think some posters are 100% certain Bogey would have taken 162/6. More think he’d have taken $200M/8 had it been offered prior to Nov ‘23 or before. I actuall th think he probably would have, but I’m very far from certain.
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One really good SPer would be enough to give us some hope, but I’m tired of going into seasons thinking we need 5 of 6 big concern areas to all work out to just make the playoffs. I’d like to have a roster with a consensus expectation we make the playoffs and are likely to advance. I know nothing is certain, but try to plan on making it as certain as possible. Adding two very good SPers takes us much closer to that expectation of being a strong contender. I realise adding Monty and Snell assures nothing, but I’d like our odds.
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Yes, maybe, and I agreed with this before. So far, we have not filled the 1-2 slots in the rotation and have just improved the 3/4 slot, on paper.
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Agreed. It’s easy to say a GM coulda/shoulda gotten more, but it’s likely there we not many teams wanting to pay Sale $10M and give up their #3 prospect to do it, or pay $17-27M and give nothing back. Like the Betts trade. I assume the GM felt it was the best out there at the time.
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I have not lost hope, but the Sale-Gio flip looks more sideways to me than others. I do see it as a gain, but we still have two major holes in the rotation and less and less options to fill them. I was fine with Sale as our 4/5 with Pivetta or Crawford on standby.
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When some posters say we blew it, t they sound like they think it is certain. Maybe I’m wrong on that. Maybe they just think it was way more likely Bogey would have said yes tganks I do, which of course is fine. Maybe a poster or two will chime in and say hey think it’s a fact, the Sox blew it with Bogey or even Betts. On Betts, I suggested we offer $400M/12, and I think he’d have taken that but im still not certain.
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Agreed. I actually wish it means this: $37Mmskes it hard to add 2 very good SPers, unless one is by trade. $47M makes it easier to add 2 very good SPers without trading top prospects for one.☝️
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Are you assuming we spend to within $5-6M of the tax line again? I’m not. I think we can and should. Hell, I think we can and should spend up to $1M below the second line, but we can never count on JH and expect a healthy winter spending budget.
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I state my hypotheticals as such. When people say “The Sox blew it by not extending Bogey, when they could have,” it sounds like a factual statement. I do think several posters still see it as a fact.
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I hope so. It does look like we finally filled the 2B hole, but that’s not really a certainty. IMO, we still need 1 SPsignificantly better than Gio and Sale (Monty, Snell or trade?), and one as good or better than Gio (Stroman or Imanaga?)
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I can certainly see your point, and don’t disagree. Giolito will likely pitch way more in ‘24 and could maybe pitch better than Sale. We basically traded Sale for Giolito and Grissom at a cost of $9M ($19M for Gio- $10M saved on Sale.) That does look good, on paper based on a few assumptions, of course. If we don’t add 2 more SPers, it won’t matter anyway. We aren’t going anywhere nice in’24. Maybe adding one really good SP might be enough, but I doubt it. We do y know how much we will spend or who we might trade in the next month or two, but this roster still has two big holes I throw rotation. We did not address that with the Sale- Gio flip. Adding two more would improve how these two moves look.
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Because Sale is better than nothing. Unless we add a better SP, we just subbed Gio for Sale and still have not one but 2 holes in the rotation. Fine, Gionis s better bet than Sale. We got better at the number 3-4 slot. It’s still a punt if we don’t add 1-2 more SPers better than a #3, IMO.
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Maybe, maybe not. Maybe for 5 starts, maybe for 20, maybe with some luck 28-30.
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I meant to say did not miss some golden opportunities
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I think everyone agrees we should have offered $162M/6 at any point that Bogey would have taken it. No dispute. My dispute is people assume he’d have taken it, and we blew it. I don’t accept that assumption. I do think he would have taken $200M/8 a couple years ago, or maybe NOV ‘22, but even that is an unfounded assumption. I’m not saying the Sox missed some golden opportunities. I’m just saying we cannot state for a fact what Bogey would have accepted, so maybe it doesn’t even matter that we did not offer $162 or200M.
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I think hate is a strong word. If we had no Sale, I’d have been fine adding 2 good SPers and then paying a FA Sale $10M to be my 4th starter and knocking Crawford or Pivetta to the pen. We’d be better with Sale as our 13th pitcher over Mata. Let’s not act like he’s worth nothing. I like the Grissom addition the more I know about him. I do think spending that$10M in2024 matters to balance the trade. If we end up significantly below the tax line, that $10M was useless.
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A certain poster is against these big FA signings, so adding $27M to the 30 we already have would mean 27 more for JH.
