Kimmi
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LOL All this debating about Price is probably a moot point anyway.
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This is what it boils down to. I am wondering what Spud and a700 and others who strongly criticize Ben feel about this?
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Or, one could look at it as a World Series Championship 25% of the time.
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Signing Price would fill a need, and I think it would be a great signing for about 3 years. My concern is what happens in the 5th or 6th years and later if/when he becomes an albatross? Eating a contract of that size is not something that teams can readily do. We would likely be stuck with handing him the ball every 5th day even though he was no longer getting the job done. That same contract would likely keep the team from signing another player to fill another need.
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Thank you, for this post and the following one.
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This was not the sole reason or even the main reason that Hanley was signed. However, having some back up for Papi, just in case, was another reason why his signing made sense.
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Every signing is questioned by someone. I can guarantee you that someone will question the Price signing, no matter where he signs. I am not trying to compare Price to Ramirez in terms of the category of player. But in comparison to their contracts, they're comparable. Price's contract will likely be more than double what Hanley got, and close to twice as many years. Price is already 30. There is reason to question such a contract. Some will question his ability to handle the pressure. Some will question whether he will disrupt the clubhouse because of his history with Papi. I don't see any difference between the two situations other than you agreeing with one and disagreeing with the other.
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I didn't evade any answer. I am pretty sure that saying that I shudder at all long term contracts means that I shuddered at Pedro's and Manny's contracts. Again, you seem to be mistaking that for meaning that I was unhappy with either Pedro or Manny on the team, which is not the case. I don't like long term contracts, but I understand that they are sometimes necessary. There are certain players, though few and far between, that I would even break the bank for. Pedro in his prime is one of them. ARod in his prime was another one, but thank goodness that didn't happen. Price is not one of them, but as a fan, I would be happy if the Sox signed him, even though I wouldn't like his contract.
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It wouldn't be the first time a player was unable to perform in this pressure cooker. I agree that it would be an enigma if Price pitched poorly, just as it was an enigma that Porcello pitched so poorly, and that no one, including the GM, should be blamed. LOL at .001 percent. Please, stop stating things that aren't fact as though they are.
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Ultimately, the GM will take the blame for the team that is assembled. He lost his job because of it. However, as I've said many times, I felt that there were sound reasons behind his moves last offseason. There is no conceivable way anyone could have predicted either Hanley, Panda, or the pitching staff to be as bad as they were, much less all 3 of them being horrible at the same time. Last year there were a lot of underperformances too, especially offensively. This year, Ben tried to fix the offense. Makes sense, doesn't it? Even if you knew Hanley would stink in LF, did anyone imagine his offense would be so horrendous? I understand why Ben was fired. Personally, I think it was a little unfair and a little premature.
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I honestly think it's these types of posts that discourage a lot of posters from posting when things are going bad. I live and die with this team. When things are bad and I am already bummed, the last thing I need is to read a bunch of posts ripping my team.
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He did inherit some guys from Theo, but over the last 4 years, he was pretty adamant about building that core of young players. Every GM inherits some good (and some bad) from the previous GM, but it's sticking to that philosophy that has put the team in good shape for the foreseeable future.
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We have Koji and Tazawa at the back end, both of whom I think will be okay next year after resting this offseason. Put Kelly in the pen. I think Robbie Ross is worth another look. I would add another closer type for insurance, then pick up 3 or 4 other relievers inexpensively and see what sticks. We would also have Barnes and Wright who might be able to contribute.
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We may not have many golden pitchers, but the point still stands. The team is set up for sustained success. There are enough pieces and/or money to fix what needs to be fixed, and what needs to be fixed is certainly doable with a few key moves this offseason.
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But we also will not be going into next season with the exact same team that we ended this season with. Adding at least one top starting pitcher and revamping the BP will only make the team better. How many games did the BP blow during the 2nd half? I agree with SFF. I'd prefer to add 2 starting pitchers, but adding a #1 and fixing the BP should make this a competitive team.
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Good post. Glad to see somebody who appreciates what Cherington did for the long term outlook of this team.
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It is amazing how quickly the tide of a game can change on something like a botched routine fly ball.
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As was the case with Sandoval, postseason play should have little or no bearing on a contract handed out to a player. The sample is not only too small, but it is also spread out over several years.
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I shudder at any long term contract. You seem to be mistaking my dislike of long term contracts for my dislike of the Sox signing certain players. That's not the case. I disliked Pablo's contract but was very happy to have him on the team. In some cases, I might even agree that a certain contract is necessary, but shudder at it anyway. Had the Sox signed Lester for whatever their final offer was, such would be the case.
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You have no way of knowing that for sure. Chances are that he will be very good for the first several years of the contract, but there is always the possibility, however small, that he won't. I get that you don't want to answer the question. But don't state something as fact that isn't just to avoid it.
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Absolutely. IMO, avoiding the big contracts is still the safest way to go, in terms of the risk involved. Cano was the best free agent available two seasons ago. I know that we were not in need of a 2B, but anyone be okay with the Sox giving him such a large contract? Does anyone still want Ellsbury back with his contract?
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I disagree on the Porcello and Hanley contracts. I thought there were good reasons for signing both, but I'm not going to state my case again. As you said, it's been beaten to death. I really thought the Sox would go the extra step and add a frontline starter too, but I was okay that they didn't. The team that they assembled should have been competitive. They took a chance on an offense first philosophy, which does make sense even if you don't agree with it. Even I don't agree with it. That doesn't make it wrong. And the fact that it didn't work doesn't make it wrong either. They took a chance that made sense to them and most of the baseball "experts". You didn't like the chance that they took. I understand that. But I don't see the difference between it being okay to take a chance with Price and living with it if it doesn't work out, and the Sox taking a chance on Hanley and having to live with that, other than you like/agree with the former and you dislike/disagree with the latter.
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Thank you for answering. I'm not talking about an injury. Injuries happen and they cannot be foreseen, although that is always something that should be taken into consideration when handing out large contracts. I think that Price will be very good for the front end of his contract. I will not be upset if the Sox sign him. However, I will still shudder at that contract and hope that it does not come back to bite us, especially in the back years. If Price is signed and is healthy, but stinks anyway, will you blame the FO for making such a terrible signing?
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If it were possible, I would be.
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I think that most things like this that we read or hear about in the press are blown out of proportion. I understand that there were some hard feelings between the two, but if the Sox offer Price the contract that he's looking for, neither he nor Papi will let those feelings stand in the way.
