marklmw

I understand UN ... nothing is that simple ... and nothing is absolute especially since each player is a separate variable. This is all hypothetical ... even if there was not such thing as a WAR value basic common sense will tell you that losing Cano to another team will more than likely cost the Yankees a number of games throughout a 162 game season.

Just as I said to Bellhorn ... what VA Starts VA can finish. And make no mistake about it .. VA started this. Respect yields respect and this is all about respect and nothing more.

Keep out of it Bellhorn ... what VA starts VA can finish.

Got ya

Well I would not be happier if your estimations are correct. What if Tampa deals Price which they propably will ... would you feel the same?

You can never ever underestimate the Yankees ... their record for division titles speaks for itself. Last season Toronto was predicted by many to finish 1st. I hope Cano signs someplace other than NYY's as the best they may get to play 2nd base will have a WAR of 2 ... thats Minus 4 Wins ... 4 wins in the AL East can be the difference between 1st and 4th. It can also determine if you make the playoffs as a wild card team.

Cabrera out performed Trout in most of the important offensive categories except SB's. Trout had a dWAR of -.8 while Cabrera's dWAR was -1.4. Trout still clobbered Miggy for total WAR. Educate me please.

Go Sox

Trout's D numbers were not so great in 2013 ... if I remember correctly. So if Ellsbury on grabs a mere 35 bags in 2014 it will not affect is WAR number all that much?

Does anyone subscribe to espn insider: If so can you access this article? http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10037159/mlb-predicting-biggest-free-agent-busts-2014-offseason

Do you know how much weighting SB's add to a players WAR? Mike Trout seems to be the player created to deliver the optimum WAR. What say you?

I got a feeling UN ... Ellsbury is going to have a monster 2014 season ... He is going to be healthy the entire year and exceed his 2013 overall numbers ... sans SB's

Come on man ... baseball is entertainment not life and death. Have you not learned anything from the movie 'Fever Pitch' No one called me an ******* ... everyone had a good time and every Sox fan in the room loved the idea of snagging the Yankees top player away from them. The Yankee fans were shaking their heads while watching the Sox fans celebrating. They were very happy to learn that the story was not true. Oh yeah, I told them I heard it on the WFAN which is a NY Sports Radio station the we pick up here.

Exactly!

I wish I had it on film .. capturing every persons reaction. My kid brother ... age 48 was as happy as anyone.

Teams always pay for ceilings. Yes Ell's played through a lot this past season being a contract year. How about next year that he is injury free ... I am feeling a WAR of 7.

So UN ... I was at a poker game last night in Connecticut. Were I live half the people are Sox fans while the other half are Yankee fans ... there are a few lost Met's fans here and there. There were 10 guys around the table when I asked everyone what they thought of the Cano signing. One guy jumped out of his chair saying that he had not heard anything about Cano signing. I said, yeah it was just announced he signed an 8 Year -200M contract with the Red Sox. He agreed to move to 1B. The room went nuts. Someone said no f...ing way ... I kept it straight and said, yeah I heard it on the radio on the way here ... Peter Gammons broke the story. The Sox fans were out of their seats, jumping around and giving high five's ... the Yankee fans were distressed ... they were looking at one another with sad faces. It was incredible. I eventually told everyone that I made it up but it was priceless let me tell you.

^ Steak Dinner UN? Ellsbury did not even get in 150 games in 2013... WAR rewards games played.

If we do not sign Nap's it will make the case for signing Ell's. Hart would become a must have even on a 1 year contract and the Sox should have no issue overpaying him if necessary. Hanigan is a need to help the pitching staff improve their collective WAR.

The relationship between Ell's & Cano is that they are considered the 2 top FA's this year and they have similar WAR's. I think it is great that everyone is optimistic and we are going to make up wins for one reason or another but signing Ell's will help with the transition as he is as good as gold to give us a 5+ WAR. If the Yankees are willing to pay Cano 24M per for 7 years which we know will become 8 should not the Sox at least consider giving Ellsbury 18M per for 6 years? That is what one has to do with the other. Think man Think!

And who exactly will replace Cano in NY? Similar to who will replace Napoli in Boston. I realize that there is not exactness to this as you have to factor in the players who replace the player we loose. No way is JBJ going to replace Jacoby's WAR ... even if JBJ has a WAR of 2 it still leaves a void. I think that Bogaerts and a WMB at 2012 performance level can make up 2-3 Wins ... anything is possible.

Boston can go one of two ways in 2014. Option A.: They can be patient and wait one year to see how many of their top players on the farm come around, pick up a lot of compensation picks to restock and plan on 2015 and on. As they say we are playing with house money now. Option B: They can sign a FA or two which includes any of the 4 FA's that played on the 2013 Championship Team (I love saying that) and try to repeat in 2014. If you selected Option B then we might have a problem replacing the total lost WAR of 15.9 of the 2013 team, see below: Drew - 3.1 Ell's - 5.8 Napoli - 4.1 Salty - 2.9 Now lets look at replacements Bogaerts for Drew - Even Napoli for Napoli - Even Hanigan for Salty - Even JBJ for Ell's - Minus 4 Here lies the problem: Beginning the 2014 season knowing you potentially 4 less wins. I made an argument of signing Cano away from the Yankees for a 200M/8 year deal. Does this make Ellsbury at 108/6 more appealing? I think signing Ellsbury would be a nice bridge into the future and covering Options A & B. Comments always welcome.

I hardly drink myself ... maybe once or twice per year if that. You would be fun as you are.

How are you coming up with those numbers? ... Cano at 8 years and 200M ... Choo at 5 Years and 100M BTW when you take a 6WAR from the Yankees and add a 6 WAR to Boston it created a variance of 12 WAR.

I play in a few friendly house games ... I think you would be good company.