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Did anyone think that the Angels were doing to sign Hamilton last off season? That signing caught a lot of baseball people off guard. When I say baseball people I am not talking about us fans on this forum either.

You are right ... the probability of Cano signing with the Yankees is probably 70%. However 70% is not 100% and the Sox are a big market team that have the money to sign him.

Maybe if you pulled your head out of the sand and pay attention to what is going on with Cano to begin with you will realize that there is an opportunity for the Sox to sign Cano. Do not be upset for not thinking about this option yourself. Take a deep breath and stop telling people what they can and cannot discuss on this thread.

Who is past 32?

The idea to play Cano at 3B was also part of my original Cano posting.

When Detroit signed Miggy I wanted Boston to sign him but all the talk was that Boston was concerned about Miggy's health. Hey UN ... how is Miggy's FA contract working out for Detroit? Just curious to know your answer to this one.

Let's do it! lol

You are missing the premise of my original thought here UN. The Yankees have offered Cano 168/7 as a second baseman and stated that they are not going to pay him 200M. If the Sox offered him to sign him for 200m/8 to play 1B how does that affect how much his contract is. Talk about an illogical argument.

Last time I looked Cabrera is not a FA ... we would have to pay him and give up our top prospects ... do not have to do that with Cano. Cano is also a lot healthier. I am gald that you are thinking big however.

Yeah but that does not conform to my original premise which was that the Yankees latest offer to Cano was 168M / 7 and that the Yankees did not want to pay 200M. Assuming this to be true was my idea of the Sox coming in and offering Cano 200M / 8. 250M would translate to a 10 year deal which I would not be willing to do.

Cano has been more durable than Pedroia over his career. Does moving Cano to 1B increase or decrease his chance for injury?

You really need to take a good long hard look at Cano's numbers. I have a greater appreciation myself after doing so.

Interesting that you say that. Look at Ortiz over the past 6 years (excluding 2012 as he was injured) ... he seems pretty consistent to me. I really do not care if we overpay for Cano by 5m per for the next 8 years. I feel that he will provide the full value with ease for the first 5 years. He will provide us a better opportunity to repeat or capture another Championship over the next 5 years. Pedey is done in 5-6 years also. I think that Cano can put up some very consistent numbers the next 8 years ... more so than Pedoria.

Answers: A.) Never know until you talk with him B.) How does Cano playing a high caliber 1B affect his future Offensive Numbers. 1B seems to be one of the highest paid positions in the game today. C.) I have a feeling that Joey Votto will do it and I think Cano will as well. Tough for pitchers as there arms can go at any time or just loose their stuff ... ie Sabathia. I think that Cano is a safer bet .... if he is willing to move to 1B ... I do not see why he would not jump at the chance to prolong his career and improve his offensive production at the same time. It would be his last contract unless he extends a few years with the Sox like Big Papi. You keep mentioning how he is lowering his value by moving to 1B ... I do not get this logic ... OBP, HR's, RBI's, Runs, Doubles ... I don't care if he is our DH if he can deliver for the next 8 years. Having him play 1B will be great as he is probably the best athlete to play that position in a very long time.

If Cano put up average numbers comparable to Ortiz's 2013 offensive season over the next 8 years while playing a high level 1B would he be worth 25M per?

Why can't it happen. Come in at the last hour and make it happen. Worse case would be the Yankees having to match or exceed our offer.

I agree to an extent. If we had players on the farm right now who are projected to replace Ortiz power numbers then you are correct ... I do not think that we do. Ortiz was a very lucky pick-up and a big mistake by the Twins for releasing him. Remember that in 3 years from now Ortiz's production and his payroll will no longer be with the club. Thrifty is good when you add some complimentary players around your stars. Cano should give us Ortiz type numbers going forward ... how is this a bad thing. Boston is a big market team and for a big market team being thrifty means staying beneath the Luxury tax which the Sox can do with Cano as a member of our team. Since we have JBJ coming up I would prefer to have Cano at 25m per then Ellsbury at 20M per.

The best teams are built with a combination of youth and experience. We have tons of youth coming and Ortiz will not be around forever. Why do you care about what Cano is being paid if the team is a position to afford him. Last time I looked Boston was considered a big market team.

Certainly when I throw out 200M for Cano it makes 100M for Ellsbury much more palatable. However ... one is for 8 years and the other for 5-6. Cano gives the team legit power number and a great OBP & OPS. Cano at first base is a safer play as everyone on this forum keeps informing me that Ellsbury's legs are going to fall off in 3 years from now. Cano going forward is Ortiz in the past but Cano will play a very high level first base. Where would Boston be today without Ortiz? Ortiz is not going to be here forever .... luckily 2 more productive seasons. WMB is a big question mark now. Cano is going to give us some pretty consistent numbers. Furthermore ... winning your division matters and NYY will always be in our division. To say that obtaining Cano just to hurt the Yankees is lame, it does not hurt the Yankees at all if Cano was a bum. How can improving your club while hurting your biggest division rival at the same time be considered a bad thing ... someone answer this? Cano is a great opportunity that the Sox should take a look at. I think that the ones saying no to Cano are just a little envious that they haven't thought of it themselves.

I agree ... I do not see it happening either but it would be one gutsy move. Professional sports are considered part of the entertainment business. Cano is a top name and if anyone says that he will not be an asset to our team well I will not be insulting to them but you can read between the lines. Just because the Sox messed up with the Crawford signing it does not mean that they can never made a big signing again. Crawford was not a need ... he did nothing special in the field and he was not a need at the top of the order. Cano can be slotted into the 2, 3, or 4 slot immediately and remain there for the next 8 years. The Sox are operating from a position of strength but there is no need to go into a prevent defense ... we all know how that usually turns out. Bogaerts, WMB, JBJ, Owens, Barns, Cecchini, Vasquez, Workman, Webster, etc. will all be underpaid for quite a while. 500K in 2014 for Bogaerts, WMN, & JBJ. Peavy and Dempster are coming off the books in 2015. Hanrahan & Bailey will be off the books in 2014. Miller will be back at an affordable price. I am fairly confident that Cano will earn 25M per over 8 years playing at 1B and also as a backup to Pedroia should he be out for any number of reasons. I do not understand the mind set that Boston can not use a star like Cano. Most fans on this board do not want Tanaka either while NYY want both players. We have a chance to do something really special over the next 5 years ... having Cano on the team only improves the probability of making this happen. How can anyone deny this. What happened last year is not necessary a formula for future success ... it happened yes ... the stars were aligned ... but we had 4 FA's playing for their next big payday. Cano just turned 31 in October. An 8 year contract takes him to age 38. Boston should do something bold and sign Cano.

You don't know squat ... over the past 6 seasons Cano has averaged about the same number of HR's as Ortiz. Wake up man ... Ortiz is not going to be around forever ... one more thing ... clean up your act.

Come on ... coming off our 2013 championship it will be more than funny ... every Sox fan will have a good laugh at the expense of the Yankees.

We differ because I do not think it would be a stupid investment. I realize that Cano's WAR is higher than it would be playing the 1B position and I am sure that the FO can make that adjustment. Cano is a natural hitter with a very BB/K ratio that can even get better. Cano is durable. The Sox have the money for a proven veteran.

You make good points UN ... Cano's OPS was 12th in the majors in 2013. I am saying that Cano is more of a sure thing than Dice K ... and to what is the realistic down side to Cano ... I think realistically Cano's value will be some place between 160M and 240M over the next 8 years. Would it be the end of the world if Cano only delivered 160M worth of value? That would be a minus 5M per year ... the same price we paid for Bailey for the past 2 seasons. I would never enter a deal without accessing the floor and the ceiling. I agree that you do not make a bad deal because you have made bad deals in the past. If the Sox can get 1 or 2 more championships over the next 8 years it will be worth taking on Cano. Cano is durable and his offensive numbers can improve playing 1B. Last time I checked Joey Votto is not available and if he were he would cost a ton of top prospects. Cano will cost 1 draft pic = compensation pick we get for Napoli.