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Slasher I am so glad that he guessed wrong on Sale and i bet that you will be too pretty soon.
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This isn't necessarily about you . it kind of sounds like you are trying to educate me. Thanks but I'm ok. I think that it is good that you like dd. I'm not sure that using your wife as an analogy is right but once again I'm ok with that (lol). I will hold my ground on this one - it has been absolutely hypocritical for some here who have been over the top negative about any of the moves that DD made but still continue to see an image of John Henry bathed in sweet sunshine. To each his own right. But hey - I liked Ben Cherington but thought that he was in no way the person that could do the job required of a GM.
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i sort of agree with you here. maybe what is bugging me is the tiresome abuse of dd by quite a few people posting here. some of them being very hypocritical. hard for me to understand constantly berating someone and still claiming that they like someone. i do not think that jh gets off the hook here. there is just something that bothers me about the way he does business.
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This at least makes sense. If I am the owner and what you say is accurate, then the firing had to happen.
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i agree with this unfortunately this guy gets judged in part because of the injuries that could not be overcome. i do think that he likely should have tried at least to do a little more with that bullpen. I am just going to stand pat on my feelings about an ownership that continues to make money on the backs of the fan base while at the same time cutting payroll to stay below a certain number well knowing that it could be at the expense of the product being put out there on the field. I probably would be doing the same thing but i don't think that I would feel good about doing it.
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Ok - I think that i get it now - John henry is our hero and anyone who works for him sucks when the players do not perform. Just trying to sort things out. Sounds good - i'm ready to roll. I get everything that you are saying. i absolutely do not want to see the wealthy pay more than they should from percentage standpoint. I am so on board with this. I am ready to become a tea member this board. I am a red blooded capitalist all the way - sincerely.
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Wait - I absolutely get the concept to which you refer. I absolutely abhor the socialist trends that some are advocating for.
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No question that whoever comes in will face an uphill battle. Not having a moving target from ownership might be one of them. I'm not particularly concerned at all. I haven't been spoiled basically because I have a memory. Clarity and support from ownership needs to be number 1. If the primary goal becomes to save money via trades and non-signs fine. It is a bit of an about face but fine. Do what needs to be done starting with Betts and Martinez. Mookie ain't gonna be had for a small ball discount and Martinez is and will continue to b I think one of baseball's best hitters. Seems to me - "ain't gonna be no miracles here..." but bear in mind our ownership will continue to thrive and make money regardless of the panic being created by the tiresome lament of having to get below a certain dollar figure. hate on Dombrowski all you want folks this one rests squarely on the backs of our owners. I'm not real sure I trust the ******** they are slinging.
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4 - Porcello has been to damned physically consistent (not good consistently) but so damned durable. I doubt he will take much of a hit with respect to what he is making but it would be silly not to at least make him an offer that he can refuse. He is what in reality he always has been - a solidly consistent innings eating number 3 or 4 kind of guy.
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Not for me - there you go though. Once again, i like those trades and will continue to support GM's of the future if they do what they can to help us be successful without prior years of suffering.
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you are working it admirably though!!!!!
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and writing too
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It is a logical way to look at things. Benintendi was the darling prospect - Successful at every level. A no brainer to keep in the eyes of most. I loved his signing and wish that it had never come down to trading either of the two but it did. When i saw Benintendi and Moncada standing side by side in Portland, I became a big fan of Moncadas. A man child if you will. A lot bigger and stronger than Beni will ever be. Limitless potential. I am a fan and have gotten over losing him. I have never complained about the trade and am happy that Benintendi has done a pretty good job for us overall. It was indeed the price of doing business. it makes no difference that many of our arm chair GMs might think that if they were in charge they could have acquired Chris Sale for less. Done deal.
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Cliff Claven!
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I agree with you here. With respect to Moreland, I get it. He played a role but not nearly the role the other three have played.
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Not necessarily to change the subject here since it is all a good read, but I just read Tomase's article about 4 who he thinks are likely gone before next year, and I have to say that even though I understand that changes need to be made and are coming, I can't help feeling sad about not seeing this group in Red Sox unis next year - JBJ, Porcello, Moreland, and Holt. Each has made huge contributions to this franchise. Holt and Porcello have been very outspoken about how much they love playing for this franchise. it is rare to find professional athletes as comitted as they have been. If they are in fact on the way out, i will miss them and wish them nothing but the best.
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If this is accurate it is not particularly flattering with respect to John Henry. I'm ok with this because I do think that it is accurate. There might be good quality candidates who would have a tough time working for someone like this regardless of how much money he was willing to pay them.
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yes i believe that you are right. Benintendi in terms of developed talent was ahead of Moncada. Once again I was that guy as I continue to be who thinks that in terms of overall athleticism and potential Moncada overshadows Benintendi. We seem to be stuck in a time where some want to argue about who was traded and why as well as what we could have done if we kept everyone. In order to get Chris Sale, which i was and am delighted over, someone of quality had to be traded. We traded away the guy with monster potential and kept the guy who has done a decent job and likely will continue to do so. We did not have time to wait for Moncada to develop.
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When I see this list it just kind of confirms my personal opinion - the farm certainly was used but based on what these top prospects traded have done compared to the return not in any way was it ruined or decimated. It is possible that some might become stars in the future but their trades brought us legitimate stars. There are any number of people here who just didn't like the way DD did business and obviously are pleased that he is gone. hey I'm ok with that I felt the same way when Cherington was fired. Oh wait - some of you don't think that he was fired. Sorry! I grew kind of tired by the way he did business so I do understand how you feel. Now I know that some of you will bitch that I brought up Cherington's name - tit for tat .
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i would tend to add to your list just a bit - C.J. Chatham could become the second baseman that we are looking for. Kyle Hart - just never know Tanner Houck - well worth a shot and soon. Jarren Durran- has the apparent skills to play a role fairly soon Bryan Mata - don't think that I would give up on arm like that just yet. I'm the optimist. I get that but the farm was well used but it is not the dire straits that some people seem to think that it is.
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It's exactly how i feel stated in such a better way.
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This is exactly how I feel.
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Rational thought from a good Mainer!
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I know you do. (about the heart thing) It is possible that I agree with you more than I will ever let on too!
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no - I don't care what people complain about really. it is just the concept that some think that they are always right that tends to goad me a bit. I have seen and read everything that has been posted about the "farm". Why is it I just can't buy into the overwhelming majority here who are convinced that he decimated or ruined all that we had in the system? I don't get it. I'm one who believes in listening to others as a rule before I make any decisions. I'm just surprised at myself for not being convinced by all the negative that has been said. My initial response to you was your comment "We all saw it happen". I didn't thus I must not count with respect to your statement.