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In Butterfield's case, if the players can be believed, he seems to be about as good as there is with respect to teaching all things infield related.
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Aint that the truth. lots of jabber out there about the braves, dodgers, and tigers. Not a lot from bosox land.
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No doubt in my mind that he isn't a .320 hitter going forward and I will not argue statistics with people who people who care a lot more about them then I do. I am just saying that Vazquez really has shown very little with respect to hitting improvement. Leon has shown some growth. Any suggestion that Vazquez is going to improve to the point that he will pass Leon is simply an opinion based on nothing tangible. He may he may not. I would always take the "bird in the hand". Understand though that this opinion comes from a guy who still thinks that batting averages, rbi's, pitcher's win loss records, and stolen bases are still meaningful statistics.
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I'm not being sarcastic or snarky(as the kids would say) - I'm just curious. Why not Leon? He is a year older than Vazquez, starting to mature possibly as a decent hitting catcher and defensively there really is extremely little if any difference at all between Vazquez and him. I think that his window to improve is basically as great as either of the other two. Personally, at the present time for sure, he would be the one I would least like to see moved. If either of the other two become more valuable as a catcher, my money would be on Swihart simply because of his potential hitting upside .
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Should we try to Pedroia him? (Can't help it)
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More than one space? (sorry - told myself that I wouldn't do that anymore)
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What are you basing your judgement on? I don't get this one. The only difference that I see between Vazquez and Leon is that Leon seems to be developing into a better hitter. They both are very good defenders - Which will be the better hitter? At this point in time - Leon. I don't think that anyone expects Leon to hit the way he did this year but based on the info we have to deal with he looks like the better bet to hit going forward. We are lucky to have two good young defenders but if I had to bet on which one starts going forward - Leon.
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I agree
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so true!
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I pretty much totally agree with this. In my strange way, I'm saying that they could potentially be the same guy. For most us, the catching position does not look like an issue at present but it sure could be going forward. We may have two catchers battling for a starting job who ultimately wind up being backups. With respect to the team in general, the catching position is just one other spot that does not look as though there is definite clarity. We still don't really know what we have!
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Poor choice of words perhaps in using "stretch" but I would say that it would also not be a stretch to assume that Leon continues to improve as well. What do Leon's numbers say about him? I hope that Vazquez does become a statistically elite catcher.
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Thanks for posting this. I kind of suspected as much just based on watching them catch. Roughly a years difference in age and the better catcher in all respects is Sandy Leon. Does not surprise me. I am happy that we have them both but even the suggestion that Vazquez might suddenly become a better catcher is a stretch. If they both hit .220, Sandy would likely still get the nod.
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I don't know what will become of JBJ this off-season but if anybody thinks that he might hit as low as .220 I agree that they would be dead wrong.
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forgot about Holaday. 5 pretty capable backstops none of which is an All-Star. Leon has to be the front runner. I'm just not sure that the front office is sold on either one of them being anything extra special going forward. We will just have to wait and see. Swihart is definitely back in the mix.
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Is that what they are trying to do? I have heard nothing at all that makes me think that they are currently trying to actively trade anybody for anybody.
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If Vazquez is the catcher that some think he is, it would be fairly obvious that he would be our number one going forward. He isn't. I'm not sure that Leon gets the credit he deserves for being a very solid defender. For the Red Sox to use 4 different catchers last year, tells me that they still aren't sure who will the number one going forward. They know that he has and might continue to struggle at the plate but it seems that there must be more to it than that. There might very well be something about his catching in general that keeps them from just handing him the keys to the car. It would be nice, even a luxury to have an excellent catcher with respect to all things defense. The ones that are that good tend to play whether they can hit much or not. Their value to a pitching staff is just too great. Either Leon is just as good as he is or there is some aspect of his overall game that they just aren't sold on yet.
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Hope he heals adequately for his upcoming bowling campaign.
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Oh for Pete's sake. (no pun intended Spud)
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Theo Epstein; Greatest Baseball Executive Ever
cp176 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Other Baseball
sorry to hear that about Hondo. I had forgotten about the "the duck". Once again a classic celtic. -
i considered that before I made my comment. Still the same thanks but no thanks.
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Theo Epstein; Greatest Baseball Executive Ever
cp176 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Other Baseball
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Theo Epstein; Greatest Baseball Executive Ever
cp176 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Other Baseball
Kindred spirits. These are the people that we grew up with. There was one and only one player that I ever saw who I truly believe could have guarded Jordan effectively - John Havlicek!!! Russell and Havlicek etc. epitomized what I still feel the games are all about. Team first. and while I am on a rant, all of the people who still watch Tommy gun Hiensohn today and have no clue about the type of athlete he was - He was a lot better than real good. He was a tough assed sob from the word go. Aurbach surrounded himself with winners - gamers! The past really is still relevant. -
I liked Napoli as much as anyone but at this point, I am content that he is somewhere else. Not an answer to anything dh related for us.
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If I could trade him right now as the featured player to bring back that one pitcher that we would love to have (sorry - not espi), I would do it as quickly as I could.
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I've always been super high on Vaz. His defense is supposed to already be plus, so at his age, I'm thinking maybe he'll be one of the best on D real soon. I think the key to your statement would be the words supposed to be. He is not a young project anymore.