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Everything is relative. Nobody likes to throw their money away but John Henry paying Sandoval's salary can be compared to me paying my cable bill.

even better for us - I don't think that John Henry is worrying about it too much either.

Obviously I don't know anything about there injuries but it did seem to me that in Wright's case particularly, if it wasn't serious enough for some kind of procedure (unless I missed something), he should have healed up. They are both young men.

Some will for sure. I was surprised to hear that Wright isn't ready. I wonder what Vazquez, Travis, Swihart, Leon, and Sandoval would say to anyone who doesn't think that spring training can be a time for some real competition for roster spots. Interesting to see how this all shakes out.

I really do agree with the way you see this. i know more about what we look like years from now than I ever did before. Quite honestly it used to be a couple of years at a time at best for me. I used to have other things to occupy my time - family and job for the most part. Being retired gives me more time to worry about our Red Sox 5 years from now. Not sure that is a good thing for me. When I was teaching and coaching there is virtually no way I would have been able to participate on a forum board. Either I was too busy or just not that bright. I like this and have learned a lot but the information age still has it s drawbacks. Keep pn keepin on!

Pretty sure it is that "other" forum board

I think that that is reasonable. i do think though like any piece of information regardless of how important they can be, they don't always tell a complete story.

I was just kidding. I think that I know what BDC is.

I'm not the one doing the suggesting. Do really think that there are people here who aren't concerned about the future of this franchise? If I don't agree with your approach, it does not mean that I don't care as much about the direction the team is going in as you do. While I do not think that our farm system is the best in baseball right now, I do not think that we are in horrible shape either. At the same time, I think that our major league club is improved.

Easy - no one is denying that our future might not be impacted by the trading of prospects. It very well might be but it might very be a positive impact. I'm pretty sure that you will take this to mean that I am all excited about getting rid of our prospects. That could not be further from the truth. I believe that for the most part you get what you pay for and on occasion you have to take some risks in life. I tend to believe that DD knows exactly what he is doing and that he is also concerned about the future of the team. But once again I will add that I have no particular loyalties toward anyone involved with Red Sox management-past or present.

Hey - are you talking about me? lol I agree with you that making decisions based on observation is very subjective. Believe it or not, I also am a big fan of using all available data before making decisions. It is just that the subjective piece makes it work for me.

Even to remotely suggest that there are any posters here that don't care are on not concerned about the future of our team because of recent deals that have been done is preposterous. Everybody cares! No one really likes to see good prospects traded away! Personally, although I see the moves as being aggressive, when I hear the expression "win now" at any cost, I don't see these moves as being that dramatic. Dramatic for sure but survivable. I'm a middle ground kind of guy. In today's world it kind of looks like there is no place for a middle ground point of view and perspective. I plan to keep right on trudging along though.

so - I come back to do a good thing for 10 measely days and I get greeted with 5" of new snow yesterday with another foot plus coming tomorrow into Monday. Ma nature - I was playing too much anyway!

stop that!

I am obviously not a stat geek (whatever that really is) but where scares me is that I could be!

Now I am ok. I'm thinking right about now that I might go clutch a bud and choke it down. I'm also thinking how much thought I have given this topic and how little it amounts to . I'v been shoveling s*** on here for quite a while and now I have to go shovel some snow!lol

By the way, does the fact that you have degrees in engineering and math supposed to have relevance to me in this discussion? Are you suggesting that "stat geeks" have to have degrees in math, engineering, or both? I was a fairly successful football coach and never played a down of football. Is that possible?

I didn't say it nor imply it. Kind of sounds like you wish that I had. None of us want to be painted with one brush do we? Not that it matters, but do you think that it is possible that there are some "stat geeks" who have never played? For the record, I never said that all "stat geeks" have never played or coached. I will stand behind what I said though - If anyone - be they a stat geek or not - truly believes that statistics can tell them that choking and playing up in the clutch don't exist - there is a pretty good chance that they really haven't done much competing. Actually I find it pretty condescending as well for you to suggest that what I have seen, felt, and experienced can be disproven through a statistical study. But in all honesty I don't care what you think. It really isn't a very important argument to have. It is fun to talk about these things when the discourse remains civil but when it starts to get nasty my personal choice is to do something worthwhile - have to go blow the snow out of my dooryard. You want to make it sound like I am anti stats or maybe even anti modern thinking. Kind of looks like the next direction. Have at it. You would be wrong.

I am sure that there are lots of "stat geeks" who have who have done their fair share of playing. I am sure that their are some who haven't. I'm not painting labels on anyone. If you want to interpret what I write in a way that really does sound kind of negative, that is your perogative. It isn't who I am.

When you see one other than the football thread that isn't a yawner right now, give me a nudge.

If my comments caused am uptick, I apologize. It is a very important topic to me I guess.

ty - it is starting now to get to the core as to why I spent my life involved in athletics. All these things that we are currently debating that seem so goddam mystical and unproveable, are so very real. Anyone who has really played knows this to be true.

thanks for posting this - my guess would be that you played a game or two.

Well actually i am not looking for any validation what so ever. I like it of course when other posters say they like what I have posted - makes me feel appreciated but my whole point in this discussion isn't to get a hearty hooza pat on the back from anyone. I truly believe that there are times when the least likely athletes based on their stats are able to step up their games and play to a level that no one thinks that they can play to. I have been that athlete - I have seen that athlete- and I have coached that athlete. It isn't an opinion anymore - it is a fact - those players exist whether there are people who want to debate their existence or not. My guess would be yes - if people truly think that we don't have these types of players among us and the stats tell them so, there really is a pretty good chance that they really never have been involved in the competition to any degree.

thanks - now I think that I am ready to move on - hopefully