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I'll also add that if Brentz is released it should be obvious that someone is going to grab him quickly. I would not be surprised at all if he becomes a productive ml hitter with plenty of pop. I will be pulling for him to finally get a real chance with either us or more likely someone else.
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I'm really not advocating for either one of them. The point that I am making is that if you have a needed skill - such as the ability to whack the ball out of the park - an organization is not going to hurry to let you go. Brentz very well might fall victim to the numbers game based on who gets signed. There was a time that I truly felt that Marrero was our ss of the future - not now. He has really shown very little at the plate. If Brentz is kept, obviously he is going to get his chance. 29 or 30 is not a factor if either one of these two guys hits for power better than anyone else that we have in the minors. I really don't know who the best option is. I don't think anyone should be saying that Chavis is for sure a better option at this point than either Brentz or Barfileld. Barfield was invited to camp this spring for a reason. The Red Sox don't really know how or if he fits but they at least want to see if his vision and his ability to hit big time are for real.
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Brentz and Barfield may not be answers to a power shortage but when you need power and they have hit for power considering them a problem is just ridiculous. I'll disagree with anyone when they start preaching that 29 and 30 year olds are old. If they are outhitting younger players, maybe they have earned the job. it isn't about age. It is about production.
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In Brentz's case I would lean toward agreement with you but no way would I with respect to Barfield. I do not agree with you at all with respect to him. I also would be kind of surprised if every organization could point to two guys who enjoyed that kind of power success last year. It is the common sense logical route to say that they are both too old and have already reached their potential limits. Every now and then, someone throws a wrench into the works. The Red Sox certainly haven't given up on Barfield.
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In the Xander Bogaerts article that I just read, he sounds like he gets it. He readily acknowledged that things were definitely up and down in a number of different ways for the team last year. His feeling is that it probably is time for everyone to say goodbye to the past and focus on this year. It is good advise and shows a little leadership.
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I really don't think that the Sox can afford to allow any potential power hitters to get away. That would include Bryce Brentz as well as a very interesting Jeremy Barfield
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I can't find anything to disagree with you about here. What am I to do? It has been a bit of a boring off season. oh - I also agree with you about Papi too.
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If he is healthy, Nunez coming back is a very good thing.
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yup
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I couldn't agree more.
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I do agree with you for the most part. The Pedroia thing may have just been a lack of judgement. Sadly we all witnessed it and it really did not look to me as though he was very supportive of his teammates. I think that he plays hard and when healthy I can't think of anyone else I had rather see out there. That is certainly worthy of being considered a leader. He gets there early and stays late. He lives and breathes the game and plays it the right way. I truly wish that he could have shut his mouth. In my estimation, that was not my idea of leadership.
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Now you all know how I feel about Sale and leadership. He is a leader. If one of the criteria in some minds, is standing up for your teammates, I have a hard time digesting the venom toward David Price displayed. I didn't like what he did anymore than anyone else here but unless I really missed something, part of his attack on Eck was his idea of standing up for his teammates based on some of the things Eck had said. It might have been inappropriate but I'm going to be pulling for this potential ace big time. Much more so than I will be for Pedroia.
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For the record - I am a true big league fan of Chris Sale. The way he looked, acted, and played this year screams leader to me. Now, when it comes to him cutting up the unis and going nuts over LaRoche thing, not so much. I'll give him a pass though because there was nothing that looked juvenile whatsoever about him when he came to Boston. He sounds even better and more committed than he did last year!
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Definitive, sustantiated role of Pedroia in Price/Eck incident
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Hey jad - crap happens! Give the guy a break and lets see what happens. He still can throw the ball and he is going to be here for a number of years. We need his arm to get it done. -
I don't believe that I ever have said that mental toughness is the same thing as leadership. Some of the most mentally tough people that I have ever known were lousy leaders. I think that it is fairly clear that we approach most things athletic from a different perspective. It's ok. There is room for both of us.
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Here we go again right Notin. Is it possible that your concept of being mentally tough is different from mine? I think that is quite likely. Prove to me Notin and to all of the others who have coached and played who believe in the reality that all of these intangible things that are so important to athletic success don't exist. This really is a waste of time don't you think? We could do this dance forever.
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Good!!!!!
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How about them Boxers!!!
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I really don't think that it is about one player leading a team to the promised land. That would be ridiculous. It is a culture of change that happens because a group of good leaders believe that it needs to be changed. 93 wins means a lot. i agree but it isn't enough for me I guess. I don't agree with anyone here who doesn't think that good leadership is incredibly important. it has been called a 'straw man' arguement because it isn't quantifiable and that is all well and good. there are some things that just can't be explained or quantified. I'm ok with everyone who disagrees with me about this too.
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Oh come on - stop that Nick - most of the time I'm with you! Also, maybe JD is a leader. As a matter of fact, i think that he is. What I don't think is that he wants to play for us.
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yes - you are right - If you had a team compiled of statistical leaders at every position and I had a normal team, there is no way I could beat you. It would make no difference if I had grittier, tougher, dirt doggier players who were all great leaders. You win - you sure got me good.
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When it comes to comparing the east with the west, I am always reminded of this little dialogue on the Senate floor many years ago when a proud Senator from the State California made this proclamation about the great symbol of our country. "and here's to the American eagle, that wonderful bird of fame, who builds his nest in the far far west and shits in the state of Maine". Upon hearing this the Senator from the great State of Maine slowly rose to his feet and exclaimed "and here's to the State Of Maine, who's soil is fertile and rich, we don't need the turd from your damned old bird you red headed son of a bitch". This really didn't happen but I do think I am safe in saying that New Englanders in general are quite proud of where they are from.
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Ok you sure got me here. If I had a statistical leader at every position, I could easily get rid of a few *******s and still kick everybody's ass. I wish just once in my life I could have been associated with a team of such dominance.
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Come on notin - Not everything in the world has to be supported by ******** statistics. There are actually people on here who don't think that it is necessary for the Sox to do anything and they will still be ok. I don't really give a fiddler's fart what you or anybody else thinks about the importance of leadership and team identity or any of the other mysterious things that can't be defined in the universe. I played - I coached more - therefore I believe in these things very much. A person's mental approach to the game may be much more important to what they can produce on the field than their physical attributes. You can doubt all of this good s*** all you want. It seems that you are in good company here to. Looks to me like having the home field advantage.
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I call ******** here - you live in a rain forest lol