Bellhorn04
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As mentioned, we have info on extension offers to Lester, Betts and Bogaerts.
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So if he pitches well we might only have him for 4 months LOL
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It's way premature though. Plus, we could say the same about the Verdugo and Urias trades if you want to look at each move that way. We won't be able to evaluate until we know the payroll for 2024. If the 2024 payroll is $15 mill below the first tax threshold, I think we'll all have good reason to howl.
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With both Lester and Bogaerts they eventually made massive increases from their ridiculous first offers, and if they had made those offers in the first place they likely would have retained the players. This is why I say there's been a pattern of behavior.
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And I should have added: We know the original offer to Lester was 4/70. We know they offered Bogaerts 6/162 when it was in the auction phase.
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Seriously? There are a ton more examples for anyone who has the time. s***, last offseason we got all the details of how we won the silver medals with Eovaldi and Eflin.
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The Yankees flaunted that constraint with Judge. He didn't like it, but so what, he went out and had the best season of his career. With Yamamoto, we learned that the Mets offered 12/325 and didn't get a chance to increase. We also learned the Yankees offered 10/300. For some reason, we get very precise info on certain offers. With Lester we know that the Red Sox and Cubs had both offered him 6/135 and the Cubs increased it to 6/155. With Betts, we know about the first offer the Sox made of 8/200, the one Mookie famously discussed with his mother. With Bogaerts, the report that the Sox offered a one year extension of $30 mill was never disputed by anyone.
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It's quite possible that accounts for the apparent conflict.
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Personally I think those particular contortions are a bit silly. Money saved goes into the pool. Money spent comes out of the pool.
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Yamamoto Nola E Rod Gray Lugo Wacha Best buy: Gray -
Yes, Devers's AAV rises from 17.5 in 2023 to 31.35 in 2024, an increase of 13.85.
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Well, needless to say, even before he talked a lot of people were unhappy about losing him. It's only people like me who are interested in details like this. In any case, when you lose a player of Betts's stature, it would be nice to get the full story straight from ownership.
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The truth is hidden from us, so all we can do is make our best guesses based on the evidence. To me it's a big thing that Mookie made a public statement that no $300 million offer was made, and it's been crickets in response. You don't think it means much. So we'll keep jabbering about it until we croak.
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That's kind of dumb though, because we've dropped more payroll than we've added so far.
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??? We'll all be watching the payroll numbers, that's for sure.
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Big Tony Vincenzo says no one would do that.
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No one is suggesting they've been cheapskates from the get-go. To me they've really only come under serious scrutiny since the Betts trade.
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I've read that report before, and what's curious is that we have a quote from Betts but we don't have the specific question he was asked, and we don't have him saying "I turned down $300 million." Then he comes out and says there was no $300 million offer, and it's been crickets ever since.
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Just like the initial offer to Lester was a slap in the face. It's a pattern of behaviour. That's why it's so plausible that they never made a market value offer to Betts.
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Betts actually said "if you want all the details of the negotiations, talk to Chaim." Obviously implying that there was a final offer after Bloom took over. Plus Bloom would have been aware of previous offers, I assume. The other thing is this ownership has a history of lowballing guys. Before Betts they did it with Lester. After Betts they did it with Bogaerts.
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Because the only leaks we get are the ones they want us to to get. With Betts, he came right out and said no $300 million offer was ever made, and no one has refuted that, so I have to assume it's true. With Moto, there were stories that suggested the Red Sox were "on the periphery", or words to that effect, which generally mean "not a chance in hell". I'm going to go ahead and assume they didn't make a competitive offer unless there's evidence they did.
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Slow indeed. To complete the financial picture, of course, we have to account for the trades that have increased the Yankees payroll, and decreased the Red Sox payroll. Next thing you know another bad "c" word* might be brought up by somebody. *Collusion
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Not if they're smoking Indica weed.
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Yep, the Red Sox are now a division of a conglomerate.
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Agreed. Dope fiends do a much better job.
